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Daniel Garcia 0:01
Okay, I like to thank everyone for coming this evening. We've got quite the treat. We've got Michaela light is going to talk to us about CF Alive. She's been doing some fantastic. evangelism, I guess is a great word for this and why ColdFusion is just awesome still, and it's always been awesome. And we're going to let her tell us why. So thank you very much.
Michaela 0:23
Yeah, thanks for inviting me a great be at the Chicago CFUG. And, yeah, I'm going to talk about CF Alive, which is the title of a book I published last fall. It was actually released at the CF summit West in Las Vegas. And the subtitle is making ColdFusion modern, vibrant and secure and we'll talk about all those aspects of it. So fabulous. And we go so the roadmap for CF Alive is that confusion is modern.
alive. And it's great for doing complex data driven applications. And while some companies have abandoned ColdFusion as dying, you know, more visionary developers like ourselves, have embraced CF and learn how to make it more modern. So more modern, secure. And also, I think if you look at how ColdFusion is used in the most modern web development, departments and shops is the most state of the art web development ecosystem. So we'll look at why that is.
So who am I? As I said, I wrote the book CF Alive. I'm also host of the CF life podcast. I just out of interest. How many people here have ever listened to any CF Live podcast episode? Maybe you can tell me how many people raise their hands if any four of us and one of our move on you with the podcast at Bertram? Oh yeah, he was a guest.
Daniel Garcia 2:00
Yes, she says hello.
Michaela 2:02
Yeah. Hey head. love to have you back on another time. It was a great episode. So.
So yeah, we do. I do interviews with ColdFusion developers and CIOs, and we talk about all things called fusion and related stuff. I also founded Terra tech, which is a ColdFusion consulting company. And I founded the CFE united conference, which was a ColdFusion conference around for 11 years.
So, as I mentioned, this book was launched at CF summit West, he has me on stage, the keynote for the Adobe conference, launching the book.
And we've got several sections in this talk. We'll talk about legacy ColdFusion, and then we'll talk about modern ColdFusion. And we'll look at some of the tools that you can use to make your ColdFusion modern. And then we'll also look at how all
We can make ColdFusion alive by doing outreach, and marketing. So that's what I'm planning to cover tonight. I will do a QA at the end. I didn't list that in the overview, but happy to do any q amp A.
So what is the issue here? It's the some confusion developers have got a little burned out. And what I would like to help people is get excited and learning new things again. Because if you're burnt out, you've probably stopped learning, and you're just doing the same old stuff all over again. And another thing that I've noticed around the country, with ColdFusion developers is some of us have language shame. We're kind of ashamed that we use ColdFusion. And if you if we meet a developer who does some other language, you know, we're kind of a little shy about telling them yeah, I'm doing ColdFusion, and it's great. And let's look at this cool app I just did. So let's make ColdFusion. The cool thing, the cool kid on the block again, and also, let's make it
Easier to to get ColdFusion jobs and also to hire great ColdFusion developers. So that's some of the things I think the makeup having ColdFusion more vibrant.
So, I mentioned you know, this thing is called fusion dying and we run this annual State of the confusion union survey. And in last year survey 72% of people when they were asked what aspects of ColdFusion offers, then preventing you or your company from embracing cF 72% listed this as the big reason for them. That was the top pick reason on it. So I guess I put together this little, you know, wild west wanted poster, you know, is ColdFusion wanted and is it dead or alive? So that's the question we're going to answer today.
So let's start off by looking at how we
can all make ColdFusion more modern. So number one thing is use the current version of ColdFusion. You know, I've met people who are using ColdFusion nine or 10. And, or 11, or even people using copies in 2016. That's not latest version.
So current version is confused in 2018, as I'm sure you all know.
And that had, you know, by keeping to the most current version, you get to use more modern features, and you do lose some of the security issues that older versions have. Another alternative to modernize your ColdFusion, if you don't want to buy the upgrade is to go to the open source version of ColdFusion, Lucy. So that's being kept up to date by lots of developers in the open source project. And it's pretty compatible with Adobe ColdFusion. And it has the big advantage that it is free, so great, if you're running a small project, or maybe you have some cloud computing, and you don't know how many cloud instances you're going to have. So has a lot of benefits for that. And also, of course, because it's open source, if you if the something isn't working, you can get in there and fix it yourself if you know enough Java to be dangerous.
Some of the other things I think, that are make ColdFusion more modern is, you know, having concise code, I think ColdFusion is pretty famous for having less code to do the same thing that you do in Java, or PHP, or Ruby or some other languages.
And that helps it be a rapid application development environment. I think that's one of the major advantages of confusion that you can get things done really fast.
Also, there's a lot of third party tools. I'll talk more about those a bit later. And there's lots of conferences out of interest Who here has been to a conference of any sort, you know, the CF summit or east or west or into the box or
Daniel Garcia 7:03
mirror for hands raised. I know people who you into the box summit, I was at the last year for United. I was really excited. Right? What's the last one?
Michaela 7:15
Yeah, I know. It was very sad when that ended. You know, what can you do when you're financially?
Yes, CF Summit East there's even a CF summit India in case anyone that goes to visit India.
And then I think NC DEF CON may be coming back this year. I haven't heard from Dan for sure on that. And then let's see if camp in Munich. Let's not forget that for all the European CFS. So lots of conferences. And I just want to give a shout out to Adobe, there was the developer week in San Francisco, about a week ago, and Adobe were an exhibitor that and telling people how wonderful ColdFusion is. So they would out there doing marketing. And they said, a lot of things, people came up to them or either used to do ColdFusion, and didn't realize that it was still around Oh, and they had a lot of new features in it. So successful doing that kind of thing.
So let's have a look at the second thing here, which is security, which is very important to a lot of people doing web development, and in particular in ColdFusion. And I was interested to discover when I studied the data CV, which is an organization that tracks security issues in different languages and operating systems and things that actually confusion is the most secure web language, you know, as a lot less issues reported than PHP, or Java do. So anyway, we need to be proud that ColdFusion is secure. And there's a reason for that, because Adobe, and Lucy have both looked at securities being very important. So I know it adults, they actually have a person who's full time job is they have the title securities are. And they just make sure that everything is kept secure. And then also they train all their developers to write secure code. And they make security a priority. So if there's ever a security incident, or one of those days zero issues, which I don't think they've had a day zero issue for quite a few years. But if there is a security thing that comes up, no, they issue I just had one, this last couple weeks, I just had one, oh, they broke the record well, but they that it's like an all hands on deck. And the general manager of ColdFusion and all the other managers as well, as developers are all involved to make sure it gets fixed and addressed as quickly as possible. And also, I think Adobe needs a pat on the back for being public about security stuff. You know, they don't keep it hidden, they announce it, and they issue a hot fix. So because that's the best way to make sure everyone's aware of it. And we download that as hot fixes
and update our server. And you know, of this the penetrations that have been done on ColdFusion servers. Often it's the case that hot fixes have not been applied or the server was not locked down. Sometimes it's the case that the code had some security issues in it. And so new features in ColdFusion 2018 that you may be aware of, there's an auto lock down feature that will lock down, you know, most of the important things that still exists the lockdown guide that you can go through manually. And I'd recommend doing both those because the older lockdown gets, like 90% of stuff, but there's still some things that you might want to lock down even more.
Then also got Adobe released the security code analyzer that will go through your code and point out lines that are potentially insecure. For example, if you use the query parameter, your CF query tags, for example, or other security issues. And the other thing we can all do in our apps is clean up Deadwood. That means code that's no longer used a whole directories that are not used. And the reason for that for a security is that often older code is not written securely. Or maybe it was test code, and you kind of commented out the login requirement in the code. So often there are security holes in in dead code that's left in an application. So cleaning that out, although it may seem a little tedious actually will improve security, and also has a side benefit that makes your maintenance easier because like when you're searching through the code base, you don't have all these hits for stuff that isn't actually used. And then finally, Pete free tag who some of you may know, he runs a company called found do, he has three
tools that you can use to improve security this hack my CF, and fuse God and the new one that just came out last week is fixed later. So hack, my CF will scan your CF server and tell you if you got out of date JP AMS or haven't applied into hot fixes or other parameters are not set, right. If you use God is a web application firewall. And that will detect when people are trying to hack your server and prevents it and keep a log of it. And then fix an ADA is a tool that will look at your code and point out insecure line. So bit similar to the Adobe security code analyzer. So those are some of the things you can do on security to make things more secure. And as I said, ColdFusion actually starts out out of the box really secure.
So another thing I think makes copies and greatest scalability. And here are some of the things that you can do if you want to have your app scale if you have a lot of traffic or maybe have unexpected traffic. So first of all, I don't know how many of you look, I've looked at how the coffee and change engine itself runs. But it does a whole bunch of threading. And it does a lot of clever stuff to make sure that things run fast. And I know in cF 2018, they did a whole bunch of performance tuning and they ran it against a set of ColdFusion code they got from customers and wanted to learn code be wasn't written ideally, to run fast, and they got it to run about 30% faster than it did in cF 2016. The other thing that is important to do on all your ColdFusion services, Junior JVM, so tune the amount of memory it uses and tune the garbage collector. And that can make an enormous difference on how well an application scales. Your also want to run a a performance monitor fusion reactor i think is the best one there. And that will tell you how much memory and CPU is being used, it will tell you were slow pages are already slow queries. And some of the settings you can actually, you know, restart the ColdFusion service if it's having problems automatically.
Number two things on the testing side you can do for scalability is you know, make draw, if you're supposed to run with a million records in the database, then you better have a million records in there for testing, because it may be your various run fine when there's a few hundred records, but when it's a larger volume, they don't.
And then also, it's important, I think to do load testing where you simulate load on your site, and make sure that it runs okay under the expected load it's going to have. And then finally, a new thing that people have been doing that's really exciting is using containers. So that's typically something like Docker. And then you can have various software like Kubernetes. And some other ones, I'll talk about it a bit later, that automatically will spin up new container. So container is like a virtual in effect. And you can have ColdFusion running in it.
And you can tell it to spin up extra containers when more load comes in. So that's a very exciting way in the cloud of making things more scalable.
Unknown 15:08
So I said I tell you
Michaela 15:12
both. Other advantage you get a Docker as well as scaling is that you set up this container and you can save the ColdFusion configuration, and how it's all configured everything. And then you can share it with a new developer. Because those joining your team you could container, and they don't have to twiddle around setting up all settings. And similarly, if you're pushing the application to staging server or production server, again, you can have it use the same set of configuration. So there's none of this mysterious bugs where you didn't configure something the same way you didn't move the code the same. And then I mentioned Kubernetes earlier.
Other orchestration tools are Hiroko and docu so all of those, what they do is they'll monitor your containers and the traffic. And then if a content dangerous getting sick, it'll kill it. Or if you need more, you know, copies of the container, it will fire up extra instances automatically or close them down if they're no longer needed. Some really clever stuff there that can improve scalability and reliability. And just make your whole DevOps life a lot easier than it is with hard, you know, instead of virtual machines, I guess, I guess the opposite of virtual machine is a real machine. That's quite the right phrase. But it was always a lot more work when you had actual physical servers.
Alright, moving on beta testing. So I think it's important when you're going to make your apps more modern, that you test them, and you test them thoroughly, because you don't want end users coming up with bugs. So how many people here actually have a staging server, kind of curious
Daniel Garcia 16:55
shrub hands 12345678,
nine 911 people.
Michaela 17:05
I'm impressed. That's really good. You are top of the line developers doing that. You'd be amazed how many people just testing straight on production, and then wonder why things aren't as reliable as they might be.
And then also, there's some tools out there, test box in the box for mortis. They let you set up tests, and then also the automated testing tools as well use and then you can do continuous integration, continuous development. So Jenkins and the example of that. I'm kind of curious as anyone here use Jenkins or some other ci thing like Bitbucket pipelines, or
Daniel Garcia 17:45
got at least eight of us that do of course, we're Wow, big group of us were at the same company. And we do staging servers, Jenkins test box, little skewed but right.
Michaela 17:58
It is but I think he's still pat yourself on the back as the creme de la creme of ColdFusion developers, because most people are not doing these cool things so great that you're you're on the state of the art here.
And that and the advantage of having continuous integration is that as soon as you push a change into your sole control, like get,
you can tell it to go ahead and push it out to the staging server and run some automated tests on it. So and then it will come back and let you know whether it worked out okay or not. So the other things to do with testing is keeping track of what feature changes or bugs, bugs, you have the fixed. So using a change tracker, like jurors common example of that, whoops mean to skip slider. And also educating your end users or clients on what your change processes and how they should report issues they want changed. So it's not just some kind of crazy, endless number of emails and phone calls, you get about making changes, it goes through a system
in order to prioritize what changes you do this week.
So some of the things I hear from feedback as to what make ColdFusion more alive is what about if we had a free version of ColdFusion. And what I wanted to point out is that there are several free versions of confusion out there already. Adobe ColdFusion is free in the Developer Edition, you don't have to pay to put it on your own laptop to develop it. There's also an Education Edition, if you are a student
at a university or school, you can get a free copy of ColdFusion to do try things out. Or if you're teaching a class at a school or university or college, you can get a free copy for that. So those are cool. I also suggest in the CFO life book, maybe you should come out with a ColdFusion light, that would be free, that would be kind of a cut down set of features they could put out there free hasn't happened yet. But you know, put the idea out there. And of course, Lucy is a free version of ColdFusion. So and having a free version is really important when you're in the cloud, because you're using one of those automatic scaling tools, you know, if it bumps up and suddenly decides Oh, we're going to have five copies of ColdFusion, you don't really want to buy whole, you know licenses for you know, annual licensing on that you'd like to pay by the hour.
And Adobe ColdFusion sort of has that on AWS, but they don't have it on our cloud systems. And even the AWS one is not ideal, in my opinion. So that's one of the benefits of having free ColdFusion. And of course, for making it more alive, it means more people will adopt it, because a lot of the competing languages
you know, free to install on the server though, obviously, they have other costs involved.
Oh, I forgot to mention some other tools, portfolio, which is a managing all your instances. And then out of interest to you here users command box. So artist all command line. thing that does a lot of cool stuff about seven of us.
Unknown 21:23
Wow,
Michaela 21:25
this is an advanced group. Love it. So I'll talk more about command box a bit later. But it's a really cool tool for speeding up instances works really great with containers. And then I'm guessing everyone here pretty much uses source control.
Is that a an affirmative?
Daniel Garcia 21:47
I hope so. I'm not have 11 developers here who source control?
Michaela 21:51
I'm impressed. That's good ones doesn't make mistakes? There you go. That's the other answer, right? Anyway, the most popular source control out there is get because it's distributed. And instead of centralized, and has a lot of cool features in it for branching, and merging back changes. Some common flavors of get a Bitbucket or GitHub, or they they are paid, they have extra features in them for whatever you're trying to do. And then there's also some tools you can use to go front end for doing you'll get stuff so here are some other tools tasks Austrian told us to get any advantage of source control courses is it makes your code lot more reliable. And if you need to roll back to a previous version, it's easy to do. And then if you're doing continuous integration, it's easy to have everything integrated with that.
Another way we can make ColdFusion more alive is by the ID we use some I'm kind of curious what Id How many people here use Sublime Text?
Daniel Garcia 22:57
So we got 1234 people and sublime full.
Michaela 23:02
Okay, how about CF builder, one person CF builder, anyone using Dreamweaver,
Daniel Garcia 23:09
we got to dream members.
Michaela 23:11
All right. And Visual Studio Code
Daniel Garcia 23:15
- multiple people use many things. So they raise Yes.
Michaela 23:25
Cool. Well, so those are all good IDs. Visual Studio code is the Microsoft open source signing or free I don't know if it's actually open source, but certainly free. Dreamweaver course is great if you're into HTML and graphics. And you I don't understand why Adobe took out the ColdFusion tags pulled out a dream weaver, but you can stick stick it back in
some blog posts about how to do that. And of course, the app builder came out with a new release last year. And then Sublime Text is it general purpose programming text editor as ColdFusion support in it. And there's a bunch more text editors, it was about 20 or 30, different ColdFusion developers use so. But having a modern, it really makes a lot of difference. It has syntax highlighting and all kinds of other cool features in there to make your life easier. Some of them even, you know, work together with
you know, your continuous integration, or you know, maybe you can even debug the code from inside the ID. So, lots of cool things to make your environment modern there.
Now, what about frameworks? Does anyone here use of a framework in their code?
Daniel Garcia 24:43
Yep, we got several of us I know a lot of us use cold box. All right, others
Michaela 24:51
framework one co books, these books, CF wheels, homegrown framework
Daniel Garcia 24:56
was mostly cold box or homegrown? It looks like
Michaela 24:59
you Yeah. So great. Well, frameworks, right way to keep your code organized. And some of these frameworks a very powerful, I mean, those using code box probably know it, it really puts a lot of stuff together for you, and organizes it. So and I interviewed the CF wheels guys, on the podcast few weeks back, and there's a lot of cool stuff they've got in there as well. I think they did see if we also it's a bit of a different approach that it's um, you know, by configuration. So it kind of by default, it does certain things. And then framework, one is very lightweight framework and deliberately designed that way it kind of gets in and gets out of your way. And fuse box course is the father of all the frameworks that came out, gosh, 15 years ago, maybe I forget when it came out exactly. Maybe more, it came out around 2001. So but still some people use it.
Okay, another way to make sure the confusion is live is server monitoring. So here are three
seven monitors can use, so they will check that your servers running good. They'll monitor how much memory and CPU it's using, though alert you if it goes nuts. So fusion reactor, they'll be called fusion Performance Monitor that's built into the confusion 2018 and then see fusion? So does anyone here use any server monitor or?
Daniel Garcia 26:28
Yep, a lot of us use fusion reactor. And then when you use the others,
it's pretty much fusion reactor and then sometimes a cx zero,
Unknown 26:37
nothing. Oh, bit of a CF.
Daniel Garcia 26:40
Okay, sometimes, but fusion reactor is the main one that people use here.
Michaela 26:44
Yeah, so this helps ColdFusion be more alive, because it makes you a whole lot more reliable. And it lets you proactively spot when problems that are happening and address them. And then in the case of fusion reactor, it's got some really advanced stuff, the tracking down where problems are happening, or you can even turn it on this debugging mode, where it you can set a breakpoint in your code on the live production server if you're trying to track down what's happening. So some really cool stuff in there.
And then I'm kind of curious that does anyone here use REST API is either consuming more generating them?
Unknown 27:21
Yep.
Daniel Garcia 27:23
A lot of people here. Do rust API's? The both?
Michaela 27:28
All right, excellent. So and then what about the API manager? That's part of Adobe ColdFusion, has anyone use that? I know,
Daniel Garcia 27:38
I've looked at it in the past, we're looking to try and do a pilot with it. And then other projects came up, and they kind of put on the back burner. But from what I saw, it's pretty nice. We just didn't have reviews. It's amazing.
Michaela 27:50
Yeah, it's amazing. It can monitor all your APIs. And you can, you know, if you've got public API's that you publish out to partners or whatever, you can meet a how much of the API they can use. So they can't kind of go nuts on it, you know, because you have a public API, and some hacker decides to do a denial of service or some other thing
with your API, you need some way to control that. And then it also records the usage and performance. So great tool, it comes as part of Adobe ColdFusion enterprise, so and that, that originally shipped in Adobe ColdFusion 2016. And they updated it for 2018. So
really cool stuff. And then some people actually code their whole application as API's, and they have different parts of the application call each other, you know,
using rest, and they create something called micro service architecture. So you split up your application into different services. And they can even run on different servers. So if you have some part of the application that gets called lot, it could have, you know, a cluster of several service providing that bits that are not used as much, maybe they don't need as many servers to provide those services. So that's a non modern thing. And you don't see people doing that and a lot of other languages is very cool way to architect things that makes it more scalable, instead of the monolithic. Everything's all in one app kind of view. So does anyone done that or played with that, or
Daniel Garcia 29:23
some of us are trying to do some of that? It's not quite as easy as, but I'm in spirit, we're trying?
Michaela 29:33
Well, that's excellent. I congratulate you. So I mean, you know, that's all we can do new ideas come out, you try it out, see if it works for you. You know, know,
everything's going to work for everyone.
Daniel Garcia 29:46
So we got a comment from one of the mass.
Michaela 29:49
Sure.
Unknown 29:55
Find anything really training online, and I find out.
Daniel Garcia 30:05
He was coming. He was searching in the past for more information API's. And now with 2016, that is finding that information now. So he creates you pointing that out?
Michaela 30:16
Oh, well, you're so welcome. I appreciate that comment.
Yeah, we publish a lot of blog posts and podcasts and all the podcasts have the full transcript as well. So, you know, say if you try to nail down a particular thing that could find a bit of the podcast was relevant.
So
command box, which is notice, product, this is a great tool, it, it certainly helps you be more productive as a coffee and developer.
It also integrates with forge box, you know, package management. And one of the really cool things with it is that you can bring in
know any version of ColdFusion, either Adobe or Lucy, and just tell it to go ahead.
Install this, and then you can run your code against different versions of confusion. So if you're trying to test Willis codes to work on a new version makes these do that. Or if you're migrating between Adobe ColdFusion and Lucy it makes it easy to spin up an instance of that as well. And then they also have some scaffolding thing in there. If you're doing box applications, like cold box, you can quickly have it put out a
an outline of what the application would be. So I'm curious if any, does anyone here use C'mon book. So
Daniel Garcia 31:41
yep, several of us do. We love command box. We love bread, would we love least moto and they've presented to us in the past on command box and big fans of theirs.
Michaela 31:52
Yeah, they do amazing work. I don't know how they managed to do that regular work and do all this open source stuff and put together into the box conference and webinars. I think they must have clones of themselves secretly in the background doing all the extra work, or they just work really hard.
So if you haven't tried them on box, it's free to try out. And it really does make life a lot easier. And it talks well with Docker as well. If you if you're thinking you're doing containers.
I'm curious, does anyone here use a content management system in their applications?
Daniel Garcia 32:31
See, some most of us mirror and still use Mira? We've got somebody that used common spot. Oh, yeah, come across. Yes, we played with content box at one point. And the others we've done some home grown.
Michaela 32:45
Cool.
Well, congrats on using a contact management system is definitely if you have a lot of content in your app, it's definitely a better way to manage it and let your end users edit things without it going nuts.
And these are certainly all three good ones. I think all three of these, I want to say our open source commerce bought its commercial. I think there's some other commercial ones out there, I've come across too.
And they will have different features that are better for this at all the other content box works great with code box, not surprisingly.
And then Perseid has a whole bunch of marketing features built into it as well. So cool stuff. But using that helps make your code more modern, and gets rid of all that content stuff out of your code and means it's probably going to be more reliable and have more features.
All right, what about the front end? Does anyone here use one of these jQuery reacts Angular review for their front end code?
Daniel Garcia 33:49
jQuery got several reacts, we've got a couple Angular, couple of us who are starting to poke at it. And view couple of us. So yeah,
Michaela 34:00
cool. So this is a all of these things work really well with ColdFusion on the back end, because ColdFusion can do a REST API, or send JSON to them, or whatever it is they need to consume. So the ColdFusion deals with all the business logic and database stuff, and then it's sending data to and from the front end. And then these front ends are giving you a much more interactive application. You know,
kind of like, Gmail works, right? Or you don't keep going between multiple pages, that all happens in the same page. So these are another way to make her feel more alive by having a more interactive front end.
What about object orientation? Does anyone here do object orientated code?
Daniel Garcia 34:52
Yep, so all of us do. And because we use cold box, we use wire box as part of that.
Michaela 34:57
Excellent. As the right answer.
So yeah, why box or di di one, if you using framework, one that you don't have to use framework want to use it, I don't think what they do is make sure you don't get your objects instantiated in the wrong order. So you can either do that by hand, or if you've got hundreds of objects, it's much better to have a tool like this that gets everything
put into the right order. So you don't have problems with dependencies.
What about RM? Does anyone use RM for accessing that data?
Daniel Garcia 35:35
does not look like it? Not girl Lauren's
Michaela 35:39
Okay. Well, here are three ways of doing RM the one built into ColdFusion, which is based on the hibernate call box has its own little flavor of RM and then see if we also have their own flavor of go around as well. So it's just a way of speeding up the database part of your app? My say speeding up, I mean, speeding up the writing the code,
obviously, is the database queries going to run at the same speed no matter how you do it.
What about package management? Does anyone here used to use box for Xbox I mean, sorry.
Daniel Garcia 36:14
I don't think they use for Xbox other than maybe grabbing some command box to call box plugins.
Michaela 36:20
Well worth checking out, there's hundreds of packages on there, you know, written in ColdFusion for doing different things. So and they're easy to grab through command box. Or if you have something cool you've written I, I challenge you to take a cool piece of code that does something useful, you could share out in the world of forge box. And the advantage of that is, well, first of all, you're giving back to community. But also if you put something out on foot view, forge box, you know, other people are going to comment on it, they might make improvements to it. And I know for myself, when I put code out into the public, I'm usually a bit more careful to make sure it actually works correctly. And it's easy to understand, which is probably a good thing to do anyway. So something to contemplate.
To put things down for your books, or check it out, see what's on there. Is there anything you could reuse to save time?
Alright, so we've talked about a lot of tools, and technical things main called fusion live. Now let's switch gears and talk about outreach. And how we can improve the call fusion developer community. What would it take to have a happy, healthy, ColdFusion developer community? So here's some things I think on this I'm interest here, if any of you have ideas on this, but you know, if a language has a vibrant community is no live language. If it has a very, you know, quiet community, it tends to be less live. So I think one of the key things here is education to get new developers involved and for people who are in the community to learn things. So did you guys know that Adobe has a whole coffee training syllabus that you can get for free from them? So
Daniel Garcia 38:13
yep, I think everyone hears looked at at one time or another.
Michaela 38:17
Cool. So I mean, if you wanted to go to a local college and and teach some kids called fusion, you could use that. Or it could be used in a school. Then there's the CF in a week. So training things. There's some YouTube channels, Adobe has a YouTube channel artists and terror attack, both have YouTube channels, lots of training on those, Linda still has ColdFusion training.
So lots of things we can do with education to help other coffee and developers improve their ColdFusion or bring new people in. And then networking, coming to a user group meeting or going to a conference or networking online, is another great way to reach out and help people have great ColdFusion has become and what great apps you're doing with it.
Maybe you're inspired to teach others. So how many people here in the CF Slack channel?
Daniel Garcia 39:12
See 123456 people?
Michaela 39:16
So curious, I
you know what you get out of being in a Slack channel. So the other people who are not in it? Why are you in that?
Daniel Garcia 39:26
Well, some of us are in it just you go there. You want to keep tabs on the community, what's being talked about any given week, any given day, for if you have an issue you want to research, I got a cold box question, I go to the box channel.
Or which, whichever.
Michaela 39:42
So it's a great way to ask questions, answer questions, help other people out, meet other people I know people who've had ColdFusion developer friends, and they've only known them online. And then they go to a conference. And secondly, they meet him in person. So it's great way to meet people. Um, does anyone here have a blog where they write about ColdFusion stuff? could write about it?
Daniel Garcia 40:04
I don't think anybody blogs I know, we all read a lot of blogs. But nothing.
Michaela 40:10
Right? It's the challenge to start is not hard to start a blog.
And it's not that hard to say, Hey, I did a cool thing with this ColdFusion function, or I learned this new tool this week. So maybe you know that that's the thought to do that. What about Twitter? Does anyone here tweet?
Oh, no. Nobody tweet tweets, no tweets. Okay. What about other social media, Facebook, or LinkedIn or anything else?
Unknown 40:41
People use Facebook and LinkedIn? I know they use it for ColdFusion. What about?
Michaela 40:47
Yeah, what about what about saying, you know, sharing what a cool thing you learned about ColdFusion or a new new thing you did? Or a bug fixed? or whatever it was, you could share that on social media? Because then you other people in your social circle, see, oh, confusion, that's really cool. I didn't know I could do that.
See, if a live podcast, I know Ed has been on the podcast, maybe you guys have suggestions for other people who should be on the podcast, or maybe you yourself would like to be on the podcast. So that's another great way of getting the word out about how alive confusion is.
There's a lot as I mentioned earlier, a lot of confusion conferences, you can apply to speak at a lot of these conferences, they don't always make, you know, maybe the CF summit is a little harder to get into. But some of the smaller conferences, it's pretty easy to speak out of them. So or you can attend it and and help people out and learn new things. There's also a whole bunch of webinars on ColdFusion, I know integral who make fusion reactor just as a series of four webinars. And the oldest guys did a whole week of webinars, end of last year, and Adobe do webinars and roadshows. Well. So those are other ways to learn about ColdFusion stuff. What about talking to people who don't do ColdFusion about the cool stuff in ColdFusion, as anyone here ever talked to a non ColdFusion developer
Unknown 42:16
out of interest?
Daniel Garcia 42:20
Kind of one of the members made, whenever she says anything, they ask, what is ColdFusion? Well, nobody seems to know. And,
Michaela 42:28
uh, well, that's your opportunity to educate them.
Unknown 42:31
Yeah. I know,
Daniel Garcia 42:33
some of us also kind of talk about it. When we go to meet other developers and same kind of thing. what's called fusion
Michaela 42:40
know, while you you, what do you tell them?
Daniel Garcia 42:44
I tell them ColdFusion is awesome.
Unknown 42:47
Excellent.
Daniel Garcia 42:48
I can build what they can build and half the time.
Unknown 42:52
There you go.
Michaela 42:54
Well, it's good to do that, you know, if we all keep quiet about it, then they're going to continue to be ignorant.
User Groups like this one, another great way to learn stuff. I, I'm seeing if I can help some people get some more user groups started. So
Daniel Garcia 43:13
we have a comment.
So how was made that? Are companies looking for cohesion programmers and having a tough time? finding good computer programmers?
Michaela 43:32
That is a great question. That's a common challenge. So we'll, I've got a slide all about that. So we'll talk about that in a few moments.
Thanks for asking that. And then the other thing is just show off your apps. You know, if you're if you have an app, you're allowed to talk about and talk it up, tell them you know, say to people you didn't call fusion? And here's some of the cool things you did. You had always continuous integration and automated testing and all the other stuff you did, because to be honest, did you talk to some other developers and other languages, they, they're probably not doing all that cool stuff. So.
So this is a way to get the word out there called fusion is cool and modern and doing amazing stuff. Alright, here's a slide on hiring. I forgot where I put the slide. But it apparently was right. Next, I must have read the ladies mind, she wanted to talk about that. So some places you can post jobs into the CF slack.
channel has a job chef sub channel.
There's a whole bunch of social media groups or Facebook groups, there's a LinkedIn group, there's probably other groups I'm not even aware of. And a lot of those you can post jobs into just LinkedIn in general, you know, you can just search on LinkedIn for who knows ColdFusion, and you can pick a geographic region, region, then reach out to people so or you can run an ad in LinkedIn that specifies only show this ad to people who have ColdFusion in their profile. So those are
Daniel Garcia 45:06
ways come was made bend. Adele has a job board as well.
Michaela 45:11
Oh, I didn't know that. That's great. Was that? Did he take over the CF jobs? list your
Daniel Garcia 45:18
house if you don't think so? I think I think he just has his own. I think there's a charity contribution to somebody posts on there. I'm not hundred percent sure. But I know he's definitely has that.
Michaela 45:31
Cool, I will add that ignite is great. And then another way, if you're having trouble hiring is allow people to work remotely. There's a lot of confusion developers around the country. And some of them would love the chance to work for your organization if they were allowed to work remotely and didn't have to relocate to the Windy City. Because maybe they don't like wind or something.
No, I can't see why I mean, Chicago's a wonderful city. But you know, some people like where they live, and they'd rather work from home. And then the other thing that a lot of organizations do, and I know artists does this, and pixelate do it is that they find a good developer from another language, and then they train them in ColdFusion. And it only takes a couple of weeks to get someone up to speed on confusion if they've done similar coding, you know, object oriented coding in another language. So that's another possible solution that some companies use to deal with the issue. And I know I was reading something that Alex from pics late wrote, he, he said, he hired this guy used to do Ruby on Rails, and he had him doing, you know, code box, and the guy was just blown away by what they were able to do in ColdFusion using some modern tools and frameworks. So you know,
that's definitely a possibility there.
Right? So mentioned, the confusion can be entity earlier, here are some things I think would make our confusion community even better if we followed them. So this is like a, I don't know what you call this set of guidelines, maybe. And a lot of us already follow these things. But I think if we made them explicit in the community, it would be a good thing. So first thing is giving more new ask, you know, it's fine to ask questions, but it's also good to help other people, you know, there's always someone else we can help. Even if we're just starting out, we can always help out other people. And then having acceptable match manners and being professional when we're online, in communities or in a conference or see if eg, and just being respectful, courteous, others. I mean, one of the things I saw in the past in confusion communities, I used to run at the Maryland ColdFusion user group, and we had a list serve as well as sometimes people get into the flame wars and just little respect and courtesy goes a long way. Related to that is what I call a beneficial reading. So if someone posts something, and it's a bit of, you know, give them benefit of the doubt and assume that they didn't have evil intent. So they need beating up.
Perhaps you misread it, perhaps they were having a bad day, perhaps they typed it wrong.
So that goes a long way. And I think it also helps in coffee community if we share our own experience versus giving an opinion that's not based on our own experience. And that kind of grounds things back down in practicalities, because no one can really attack my own experience. But people have different opinions often leads to arguments.
And then obviously, not all of us have the answers. In fact, none of us have all the answers all the time. So, but the way to deal with that is to make sure you ask your questions in a great way. So tell people, here's what I tried. Here's what happened. Here's what I've tried looking up online, those are all ways to ask a great question.
And then finally, on a community, it's, you know, both Adobe and Lucy are very happy to talk with people. I mean, whenever I see Adobe at conferences, whether it's their own, or into the box, or some of the other conferences, CF,
are always very happy at all with developers and hear about things they like, or things they'd like to see improved, or other cool ideas and examples. So go ahead and talk to them. Several of the folks at Adobe have pretty public emails as well, so you can email them to. So those are the things I put down, I think it would help improve the ColdFusion community and make community more alive and hence the language more live.
Alright, so talk about outreach, let's talk about marketing. And some of this was directed towards Adobe and Lucy, but some of it is also directed to us. So I think it was be great if there was a lot more PR, about ColdFusion. So people are doing other languages here about ColdFusion more.
I think also be good if students were exposed to ColdFusion. You know,
maybe if Adobe or or user groups, what if we organized a hackathon? And like, Okay, how quickly can we go this thing? Maybe it's competition between ColdFusion and another language to see, is it really true even to do stuff quicker and ColdFusion or better. And then I think it's important we evangelize called fusion, each of us. And I, you know, I think it would be good if Adobe and Lucy had an evangelist for their flavors, a ColdFusion. And then, you know, use talk about ColdFusion and social media use the hashtag coffee town called fusion.
To get the word out on it, I've been doing that I encourage everyone else to do that. You really don't, you know, you can just say a little when you had today or something new you learned or some news you heard, could be all kinds of things. And then the final thing, and this is something I've trying to figure out what to do about, I was talking to Kish or Adobe, he's the marketing manager called fusion. And he said, when they surveyed users, there's about three times as many websites that use ColdFusion, that are hidden, you know, the internet, so extranet, they're not public websites.
As there are, you know, public websites that you can tell they're using called fusion. So it's like an iceberg, there's, there's some public things that you can tell a ColdFusion, there's also public sites that they so well hidden, you know, they don't just play, I mean, you know, few not so many people display adults, the FM extension on their URLs, you know, a lot of times it's just using directories like using called box, that's what it's going to get. Sean is not going to show the dots, the FM or extension.
So sometimes it's hard to tell something has been written in ColdFusion.
I think it would be good if we had like, you know, proudly written in ColdFusion logo, we can stick on our sites about page or something.
I know when a layer had called fusion, they have powered by ColdFusion, that you can stick on your website. So we need to come up with something for that. And that's just a subtle way to do some marketing on the language were using.
So to sum all this up, the reason I'm I wrote the CFO life book, and I do the CF Live podcast, is I think we need a revolution to make ColdFusion more alive. And here's the manifesto for the revolution, that we're constantly coding easily, too easy to maintain apps in ColdFusion, were enlivened by using a tried and true language. It's been out there for 23 years, and it's still going strong. And it's got a development plan out for another 10 years from Adobe. So, and we're unleashing the full efficiency of using ColdFusion in our work, Mr. spot, inspiring other developers and young programmers to explore the power of confusion. So that's revolution, I hope some of you will be interested in joining that revolution by talking about ColdFusion, or trying out some of the modern tools or
teaching other people about ColdFusion or social sharing about it. Or maybe you've got your own suggestions on how ColdFusion to be more alive. So let's have a look at that. So let me ask you some questions. And you can think about these answers. Maybe people will have some comments. So what would it take to get 10%? better results using modern ColdFusion this month?
So that's the question you can ask yourself, Is this some things I've seen today? or other stuff? I know, so I could get 10% better results in my applications using more modern ColdFusion? And if you're not using one of us, what would it take to get started with modern called fusion today? What some small thing you could do, just to make things a bit more modern?
What would it take to try out a new ColdFusion tool this week? You know, there's dozens of confusion tools out there, you've probably not tried all of them, maybe you could just tweak around with one the haven't tried.
And then on security, what would it take to make your call fusion code and server even more secure and is now you know, maybe you can run one of those lockdown tools, or maybe one of those third party tools like hack my C, F.
And make everything more secure? And then the final question, this is something I asked all my podcast guests, what would it take to make ColdFusion more alive this year? So I don't know if anyone has any thoughts on that. I'd be interested to hear what you think would make ColdFusion even more alive.
Unknown 54:58
Okay, I'm asking
Daniel Garcia 55:04
the raw thank you would it take to make ColdFusion more live this year?
Unknown 55:12
commercials
Daniel Garcia 55:18
32nd. Spot the Super Bowl, I think we could afford that.
So new modern tutorials. That's good idea. Oh, some of the modern features. That's
Michaela 55:37
a good idea. And they don't have to be long. It could just be a small tutorial on just a small feature.
Daniel Garcia 55:45
Any other ideas? Comments?
Unknown 55:50
I think everyone's digesting what you what you presented to us.
Michaela 55:55
Yeah, you've had a big three course meal and you you probably need digested. Alright, well, here are some things to help you in your digesting. Once I got to see fly. Oh, yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Unknown 56:20
website. So they will move to an e commerce platform. So I, you know,
Unknown 56:28
another job in most of the job postings where we are trying to migrate from ColdFusion to that next. So we have very interesting, I interview for lots of things, lots of people, and then the then I started asking questions, but we are you know, doing the migrating Do you want me to wider, you know, only the engine job are still important. That's what I got the top here. And, you know, here, there are linked to the job that was
Daniel Garcia 57:17
heard all that one of the comments was one of our members, when she was looking for a job or one company was migrating away from ColdFusion. So she's looking for a new job. Seems like most of the job she found were not for ongoing development, but for short term migrations to go from cohesion. to.net or something else. As she was looking for full time confusion. Definitely, she really couldn't find anything. It took her a long time to find something.
She actually had a switch states where she lived to find a ColdFusion job that was a permanent, ongoing cold you should not just a migration.
Men, she found a nice company that does all ColdFusion. And yeah, it is tough.
Michaela 58:13
Again, well, congrats on finding it.
So I mean, part of the whole thing of this ColdFusion alive is educating managers in companies, you know, CTOs and CIOs or directors of it, the ColdFusion is alive. And, you know, it's a great language to use. Because, you know, if we just sit on our backsides and don't do any promotion ourselves, you know, the fear, uncertainty and doubt machine and Microsoft is going to run and tell people.net.net don't know. And there isn't any great technical reason, I think, to go to.net It's a political choice people make.
Daniel Garcia 59:00
Yeah, we have another comment from one of the members,
Unknown 59:02
yeah, the
Unknown 59:05
SAP,
Unknown 59:25
they go and show them this is what we can do, comparing the two they are already using the one that you know,
Daniel Garcia 59:35
like, the comment is,
with,
with some.
Sure, so.
So the commentary that some companies will like I say, people take their solution to a company and say, Look, what we can do to solve your problems. And I practically knocking on doors and trying to get inroads to try and convince them that way, is basically being very present active, instead of reactive to all you need something we might have a solution was supposed to here, let us solve your problems for you, and on a better way.
Michaela 1:00:09
I think that's a great suggestion. And that, that that's some of what I wrote about in the marketing chapter of the CFO life book. So, and I am glad to see the you know, since that book came out, as I mentioned earlier, Adobe, you know, started attending non ColdFusion events. So they went to develop a week, last week, and were exhibiting there and telling people about all the cool things you can do in ColdFusion. So I think more of them and other people doing that can help. But I just want to emphasize that there's something everyone in the room can do it, maybe just a small thing, maybe it's just telling someone else, here's why ColdFusion is awesome. Or maybe it's social, posting about it, or writing one of those tutorials or whatever. But we can all take little actions that help here. And I think that going to make a much bigger effects than if we just, you know, sit back waiting for, you know, Adobe to do whatever we think they should do. I mean, great if they do good things, I think they are doing good things. You know,
they, they organize the CF summit conferences, and I know that, you know, I think CF summit West was, I think the early bird on that was $99, I want to say, there's no way you can run a conference, that's commercial for $99. It's more like $1,000 in Las Vegas. So clearly, they're putting hundreds of thousands of dollars into that event to make it happen. And the same with CF Summit East, which is a free event. Well, our hotel in
town, Washington DC is not do that by having done it.
It's way north of free.
So those are some of the things they're doing. But you know, let's look at what we all can do to make confusion more life, whether it's, you know, posting about stuff, well, maybe it's listening to the podcast, or maybe it's sharing cool stuff we said, saw somewhere. And you know, if you're particularly interested in getting ColdFusion more alive, we have the CFO live in a circle was a Facebook group. I know, Daniel, you're in that, and I think maybe some other people here or in that. But that's the place to also share ideas for making ColdFusion,
Unknown 1:02:27
or alive.
Michaela 1:02:29
And then I I also want to mention, you know, we've right
into thousands of words of articles every month about ColdFusion on the Terra tech blog, we put out a bunch of videos on the YouTube channel. And then we post about ColdFusion on Twitter, and LinkedIn and Facebook. So I just did a post on LinkedIn, about security and ColdFusion that got a lot of traction, pointing out that it really is the most secure language out there. So.
So hope See you on some of those different social medias or groups. And I guess we should open up for regular questions. And I'm probably going to stop the screen share so we can go back to the regular view. So somewhere we have me.
Unknown 1:03:22
Right?
Unknown 1:03:23
Okay, we see you. Yes, I'll scream
Michaela 1:03:25
any other. Any on full screen. There we go.
Unknown 1:03:32
So good.
Daniel Garcia 1:03:38
We see folks site does, but I don't think our meetup does, but we can look into that.
If anyone has questions can raise your hand. And I'll call them will comments and q amp a and
Yep, so a question is, what's your thoughts on ColdFusion on Amazon Web Services?
Michaela 1:04:00
Well, if you're talking, I don't know if you're talking about the Adobe ColdFusion where you it's in the Amazon store? Or you're just talking about doing it yourself and installing it up there. So
Daniel Garcia 1:04:16
who is?
I don't know they are a terrorist offering? 2018? I think he's talking about hosting on ColdFusion 2018 on Amazon.
Michaela 1:04:26
Yeah, so you there's a thing in the Amazon store, to the AWS or maybe that's the thing you're mentioning, where they've already got ColdFusion installed in a server and you your is a metered version of it. The other way to do it is you just get your own AWS and you have your ColdFusion or Lucy license, and you install it yourself just like you would on any other server. So I
Daniel Garcia 1:04:52
think they're asking if you had any experience with not your do it yourself, but just getting from somebody else and how that's worked out for you or the view heard all that's worked out for people?
Michaela 1:05:04
Well, I think it runs fine. Technically, I, I don't like the way they license it myself.
Unknown 1:05:10
I
Michaela 1:05:11
kind of an Adobe Zia several time on that thing. And I think they did improve that cloud licensing in the latest update to the End User License Agreement. But to be honest with you, I if I was doing cloud stuff, I'd probably do it and Lucy, because then you don't have to worry about licensing. You know,
but is it because the main invite one of the not the main about it, but one of the advantages of cloud is you can automatically scale stuff, and you really don't want. If I was automatic scaling stuff, I wouldn't want to pay for like 10 license 10 annual licenses, if I was going to use the thing for like, you know, six days out of the year, I'd rather pay proportionally. So hopefully one day Adobe will get that message. That's how cloud software is supposed to work.
But mean, I think that I heard me. But the problem with large companies is that there's often a lot of lawyers embedded in the large company.
Unknown 1:06:09
Yes.
Daniel Garcia 1:06:11
Okay. Anyone else?
Michaela 1:06:13
Question?
Unknown 1:06:17
Kayla, you mentioned the ACF training at universities. Are you familiar with any success stories coming out of that offering?
Michaela 1:06:27
I'm not and that's a great question. I'll ask Kishore next time I talk with him.
Unknown 1:06:33
About that,
Michaela 1:06:34
I think, I think one of the things is they they provide the training materials for free, which is great. But I think there needs to be more outreach. And like you're saying follow up to see how it's doing and have some success stories or interviews or testimonials on the cool stuff people have done with that and where they've gone after they've taken the training. So that the could be a great set of articles or video testimonials.
So I'll make a note of that. That's a good idea. You Does anyone here know, colleges or schools or universities, ColdFusion, or teaching kids how to program? Know,
Daniel Garcia 1:07:19
that's why they're asking. They don't know any?
Unknown 1:07:22
Nobody.
Michaela 1:07:23
I mean, that's that's an issue. Because, you know, if we don't get new young people into doing ColdFusion eventually, you know, people are just gonna get older and older. So
I think it's important that we do get out in schools and universities.
Daniel Garcia 1:07:44
Other questions? Yeah. Another question that. So the question
Unknown 1:07:47
is we were talking about conferences, and I know, CF objective was kind of trying to decide whether they were going to continue on and last I heard they were going to try to have it. Conference this year. Have you heard anything?
Michaela 1:08:03
I haven't we have asked them because we'd like to blog about it. Because we made a blog posts like what are the ColdFusion conferences of 2019?
So we haven't heard back.
So maybe you know, more than I do. They were going to have another go where they you know, if they were going to do it in Minneapolis or in DC or somewhere else. So
Unknown 1:08:26
I think they were thinking about a different location.
Unknown 1:08:33
It's been a while since I've communicated with them asking.
Michaela 1:08:36
Yeah, well, if you hear anything, let me know. We'd love to share that news. You know, great event. I think they had they had some issues moving to DC.
Daniel Garcia 1:08:50
So far as I know, as far as in the United States, the only for events are CF summit Eastern West into the box me con.
Michaela 1:09:01
I don't think we are cons happening this year. Because I talked to them about that. And then NC DEF CON. I thought NC def on was potentially happening this year. I think Dan had some personal problems last year, who runs it? But I thought it was going to happen again this year. But I'm not. I haven't heard for sure on that.
Daniel Garcia 1:09:22
You haven't checked their website recently. So I'm not sure.
Unknown 1:09:25
Yeah.
Michaela 1:09:28
Yeah, well, maybe it's an opportunity for someone else to where Where's Chicago? ColdFusion con? You know,
Daniel Garcia 1:09:35
that's a lot of work as you very well know.
Love to do a Chicago con.
Yeah,
Unknown 1:09:43
yes.
Michaela 1:09:45
Well, maybe maybe it's just an extended ColdFusion events and afternoon thing instead of a whole conference. Yeah, that's true. Well, we'll do something i'm not i'm not saying you should do it. I'm just saying that's an option for anyone to run to use the group that you could get together on a, an afternoon, either during the week or the weekend. Do some, you know, have some talks and have some other you know, have some panel discussions? Or have you can have a hackathon?
Daniel Garcia 1:10:16
Yeah. No, actually, my company just had a hackathon here last week. Really internal to our developers. But the business?
Michaela 1:10:25
When are you going to share about this?
Daniel Garcia 1:10:28
There was a well, it was internal to our development team. We got to take three days and developers participated, got to work wherever they wanted to, as long as it's related to our business were auto insurance provider. And so a lot of the ideas were very specific to our our industry. But it was great. We had a lot of fun and some great ideas and
Michaela 1:10:49
wow, is a great thing. I think we should share that out. So people and other companies do the same thing.
Daniel Garcia 1:10:57
Yeah. Maybe we could try me that can be a positive idea.
Michaela 1:11:01
Absolutely. Love to interview you about that.
Daniel Garcia 1:11:05
Great. Anyone else have any questions? Comments?
They love the Yoda. You're behind you.
Michaela 1:11:14
Oh, yeah. Hi, Yoda. He says there is no try. There's only do or not do help. Little favorite saying I have I try and avoid using the word try.
I mean, they're going to do it or I'm not doing it.
Daniel Garcia 1:11:30
Just changed it up. Try that come to see us do.com.
Unknown 1:11:33
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Michaela 1:11:37
The net ladies finding that finding the horse horse to do in the program.
Daniel Garcia 1:11:45
I think we're wrapped up the comments. Um, we do have a book autograph that we're going to wrap up at the end of the night. Whoo. I'm
Michaela 1:11:53
exciting.
Unknown 1:11:55
And then I think I'm going to offer I'm sorry.
Unknown 1:11:59
Yeah, go ahead.
Daniel Garcia 1:12:00
So we've got an autographed copy from Michaela of the CFO light book that she was talking about tonight. It's also an Amazon does that's for print. It's also on the Kindle. I am personally going to offer to buy anybody that can know version that wants it tight only God let me know after the meeting.
Unknown 1:12:19
Know you just bought a joke our generous.
Unknown 1:12:23
But um, so yeah, and,
Michaela 1:12:26
and what I was gonna say if anyone has already bought the book, or if you're getting it tonight, I'd love if you're able to leave a review on Amazon, because that's how the ColdFusion developers can learn about it.
Daniel Garcia 1:12:38
Yeah, absolutely. So I'm
Michaela 1:12:40
saying if you're a podcast listener, and you like the CF, like podcast, leave a review on iTunes.
Daniel Garcia 1:12:46
And oh, yeah, absolutely. I need to do that.
Unknown 1:12:52
Is there any place else besides iTunes?
Michaela 1:12:55
Yeah, right. To leave reviews, you can go to the website, leave reviews. I think it has reviews. YouTube has reviews, and I forgetting where else we syndicated out to
those us good, all good places. And subscribe. You know, if you like the YouTube videos we put out from the podcast and subscribe to the YouTube channel.
Daniel Garcia 1:13:19
Might be a great CF Alive inner circle post reminding us how to do that.
Michaela 1:13:24
Yes, I'm happy.
Good thinking. Cool. Well, thanks for organizing this. Thanks, everyone for coming. And yeah, I'd love to if you have any. If you have any more thoughts occur to you then. You know, send them to me.
Either you can send them on Daniel or you can just contact me directly on the Terra tech site on social media or email.
Daniel Garcia 1:13:55
I'm certainly going to encourage everyone to join the CF inner circle CF Alive inner circle. Facebook. If you're not we'll talk about that after this.
keep growing growing the community as well.
Michaela 1:14:06
Great. And I'll get you the recording of this as well so you can share other members weren't allowed to attend. So great. Well, with for all complete. Thanks very much. Have a great Thursday evening. And
Unknown 1:14:25
everyone's everyone. Yeah, have
Daniel Garcia 1:14:27
a great night. Thank you very much.
Bye
