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Michaela Light 0:00
Welcome back to the podcast. I'm here with Kishore Bella Krishna from Adobe. He's the product marketing manager for cold fusion and we're going to be talking about cold fusion 2018 and we're going to cover everything that is new in cold fusion 2018. And it is a lot of things. If you haven't looked at what's new, you may be surprised by all the stuff that's in there. So
we're going to look at both things on the server side that are new with the new server monitor and profiler database monitor
and also the security improvements on the server and with the automated lockdown and other security tools and then we're going to look at a whole bunch of new features in cold fusion 2018. So that's what's coming up and if you have any questions
let us know in the chat if you watching this live and we'll see if we can fit those
In so welcome occasional
Kishore 1:03
thanks for for having me.
Michaela Light 1:06
And just in case you haven't met him before he he actually started out
doing computer science degree get a master's degree in Computer Applications and he's been all you know Quality Manager Program Manager but now he's the product marketing manager for cold fusion so if you're a customer called fusion you may well have met him at CF summit or other cold fusion conferences and he's always happy to talk with cold fusion developers and managers. So one So tell us about you know, cold fusion 2018 it just came out a few months ago was is that right? Yes, it came out in August and it's been a fantastic ride but corporation to MBA what we had been called called vision 28 or 2018 was
Kishore 1:56
we looked at the three pillars of ColdFusion,
of performance language and security,
since it's an application. So platform performance was been very critical for customers. And then most of the surveys that we run, and we do run quite a bit of number of surveys performance and security, where the top concerns of our customers. So this release, what we did was we double down on performance and said, like, how do we, you know, make the server faster as well as how do we make customer's applications faster? So from
how do we make the server faster, what we did was the server runs 30% faster than 2016 delays. So if you have an application, which is running on 2016, just by upgrading to 2018, your applications will run 30% faster. And obviously, then, then what we thought was, what about our customers applications, obviously, we can't do much tweaking around that. So we came up with the application performance monitoring to using which the customer could easily identify and fix any performance bottlenecks that they have on the server. And we are taking the first step towards, you know, self monitoring of the server with the help of auto connected to meaning. So there's any issues with your connector, if you turn on the auto connected tuning, it'll automatically fix the connector issues as well. So the connector issues were
supporting us, you used to receive a lot of connector issues, connected tuning issues. And with this release, and with auto connector tuning in, built into the performance monitoring tool, we are hoping that we solve that issue, it becomes a sort of a cell feeling application server for this release, one day with the candidate joining and maybe we'll take about moving forward for the next releases as well.
Michaela Light 4:07
That's some No worries, that's amazing that, you know, you don't have to change your code a tool when you could see, you know, 25, 50%
performance increase, depending on you know, what your code is, like, I think you tested it on the Learn CF in a week sample code. And it was like 47% faster, and you tried it with some code box code. And that was a much faster
and I think I read the, you know, those percentages you mentioned of moving from 2016 to 2018. But if you move from
to that,
it's even higher. Exactly. So I just loved things when you you improve the engine, I don't have to change the code, and it just runs a bunch faster.
Kishore 4:56
Exactly. And we obviously being coefficient, we have obviously ensure that your code is backward compatible. So just upgrading, you should see a lot of performance
and this Sorry, go ahead. So you must have profile the cold fusion engine against a whole bunch of customers code to make sure, yes, these things we did. And there there are some of customer applications which we tested it, we can put it out on a white paper, because we are under NDA with our customers as well.
But there are some other profile application
servers, which we tested out, you could see that in the white paper you already mentioned, called box framework. And we tested with a couple of other frameworks as well, which has been listed out in the white paper.
Michaela Light 5:53
So I'll get the link for that white paper and put it in the show notes on the TeraTech site.
So you mentioned that this
really this
several components that are being monitored, there's the several monitor the code profile I mentioned. Also, there's a database monitor and
Kishore 6:16
end to end, right from your goal to the application to the database, you could monitor everything in one application server, the performance multiple set.
Michaela Light 6:28
So
if you can look at the performance issues, not just in your cold fusion code, but it might be in the in the database or
Kishore 6:40
in the external services as well. But which most of the times people don't understand that if a patient's own is performing, if your application is performing slow, it might be because you're making an external service call as well. And the most of the times when whenever there's a issue performance issue, we are figured out that 60% of the times at the external services which are causing performance bottleneck, but the application performance monitoring tool said that we have, you should be able to log that as well, to see where exactly so in the performance monitoring tool said, you get a clean view as to how, where exactly the time is being spent on a particular request, whether it's being in the server on the database on the external service model, external services. So if you're an
Michaela Light 7:31
external service, by external services, you mean things like CF HTTP calls, or elder Apple Mail, or the file system, SharePoint, any anything like that, where exactly going out to an office? Yes.
And it might be GMO might well be going out to another server. It's not even, you know, your serve laundering over the internet. Yeah, so I can definitely see how that could be a thing that slows applications down,
it's great that you can monitor that.
And I think if you've got something for, you know, for tuning the connector as well, you tell us about that. So we,
Kishore 8:16
as I told you, we have an auto connector to tuning platform. So what it does is
connector in most of the times become the bottleneck, it could, it could handle only a certain number of requests or response. And what what normally happens is when the performance goes down, then assess admin has to increase the number of threads on the connector. So what we are currently doing is when the application server monitor, and this is setting which which is disabled by default, so if you if you enable at the application performance monitoring to accept, but look at the number of connections request coming in, and there's an issue with the connector, it will turn turn it off so that you that can, it does not becoming a bottleneck for you.
Michaela Light 9:03
That's great, because you used to have to do do that manually. And it was almost like black magic to try and figure that out.
What are those speed improvements have been made in ColdFusion? 2018? Okay.
Kishore 9:21
Caching and some other things. Yes, we have distributed caching as well. And with that, we support the range of the caching engines. And also what we are done as we had looked at the language
features. And we did a lot of performance enhancements on each and every language features as well.
That's why what what do you see is, as soon as you upgrade to 20, 2018, you see that performance benefits without you doing doing anything.
Michaela Light 9:53
So tell us about some of the caching options in cold fusion, because that's one of the ways to speed up and out
cache.
Kishore 10:02
So what what we did with 2018 release was we
added some built in support for some of the popular industry engines, like, you know, writers mem cached JCS. And also what you could do is you could plug in your own
caching engine by implementing a simple interface
and that implementing your own caching engine is very well very simple.
Michaela Light 10:32
Hmm. So you can use standard things like mem. cached or redness Yeah, obviously as
Kishore 10:39
well
Michaela Light 10:41
or or j CSS and or you can just have your own cash if you customize it. And this is in addition to all the other caching things that were already built into Cold Fusion News.
Cool so anything else on the performance improvements
Kishore 11:03
that's about the performance improvements and also what we did was we looked at the security aspect as well so if we had used to 2018 2016
and I had to lock down your server you know Adobe used to provide a lockdown guide and you have to go through all the steps to lock down your server actually 2016 came up but the secure profile so we partially automated couple of the lockdown step guides but even then you had to go through and logged on your server by calling the lockdown guide with 2018 what we did was we came up with the lockdown installer we wanted to make that process a lot more simpler obviously it's more critical for the user so we wanted to make the process a lot more simpler and we came up with the lockdown engine lockdown server
it's an installer so if you run the installer to logged on here so within like one minute or one and a half minutes so I used to take you like around roughly around five to 10 hours depending on the size of your so now gets completed in one to two minutes tops
Michaela Light 12:15
that that's amazing. Now those locked down guides is still available for people yes
Kishore 12:21
yes so if you
Michaela Light 12:22
customize it
Kishore 12:24
exactly so if you even if you don't want to lock down your server using the lockdown installed on the of still want to do the manual process that installed that lockdown guide is still available for customers.
Michaela Light 12:36
Yeah, and I'd certainly recommend people do the auto lock down. But then it's it's probably good just to look through that lockdown guide. Because often I found there are still things that
Kishore 12:49
so the log on what it does is once it does the entire thing, then it gives you a log report of what what it has been able to do. And there might be some instances it might not be able to lock down one or two functionality. So if you give you a proper report as to what has been done and what is still pending.
Right? We will I really suggest you do rather than the norm. And, you know,
Michaela Light 13:14
I think what's really good about this is, you know, I suck. I know sometimes people just avoid doing the security stuff because it is quite a lot of work. So this is the 8020 rule give you 80% or maybe 90% of the results just by clicking a button. And then if you need if you have a site that you really want to be extra secure, you can
you know, go ahead and hard now people more
Kishore 13:41
Yes. But what we have seen is in recent times, people take security much more seriously.
If you look at it, the number of patches that we come up the standard time for of applying the patches on your server has come down from roughly around three to four weeks to the last survey to like within a week. They apply the security patches. So people are taking security very,
Michaela Light 14:06
that is great to hear. You're going to be putting hackers out of business
Kishore 14:11
get sure
We sure hope so.
Michaela Light 14:16
I mean, when was the last time there was a day zero hack into ColdFusion?
fusion?
Kishore 14:22
I think that was around 2012 if I'm not wrong.
Unknown 14:26
So more than five years ago, yes. That was
Michaela Light 14:33
like isn't that a Guinness World Record for that time and application server language
Kishore 14:43
I security something that I think every language has to take it up seriously and blab that we have been able to keep it up for so long. And yeah, hopefully we should be able to do it.
Michaela Light 14:57
Well, I know that you have a couple security saw who's just focused on this. And all the development team at Adobe's, you know, is trained in in writing. So
Kishore 15:07
we have a securities are not the man the most of I think almost all the developers and QA folks have to go through a security training. And Adobe also has a piece our team, the security team, which looks at the product, all the products and so we have three layers of protection going in to the product.
Michaela Light 15:30
That is great. And clearly there's a management focus on security as well. I know when I talked with trivia, he was very clear that you know, that we can pull him in if it's a security issue.
Kishore 15:41
Yeah, they believe they do everyone.
Michaela Light 15:45
Yeah, so that is great. But I did look at a CNET report that show the cold fusion had the fewest security issues compared to PHP or other
Kishore 15:56
web black yes, we do have very few issues regards to say goodbye,
Michaela Light 16:04
great. Any other security tools we should talk about or
Kishore 16:10
know from a security perspective, that's all we had.
Michaela Light 16:14
Okay. And that isn't security scanning tools in there are some apps that
Kishore 16:20
code profile which walks through the code and sees if you are building from, let's say, 2016 to 2018, you run the file, and it will tell you what are the code changes that you want to make. And if there's any feature which has been replicated, and in 2016, we came up with something called as a security code analyzer.
This is not this is not something new in 2018. But 20 in 2016, we came up with security code analyzer which will walk you through the code, and it'll tell you what are the vulnerabilities that anyone could exploit
to
Michaela Light 17:02
great feature there, you have so glad that still in 2018, yes, often, I mean, there's two ways people get in break into apps, either through some server configuration,
or through the code. Yeah,
all the human beings who are in charge the code,
Kishore 17:24
that's why we can't the security code analyzer runs through your code, and not only identifies what are all the vulnerabilities that could be exploited. But it also gives you a workaround out how to solve it,
Michaela Light 17:38
that that is great. And I'd recommend everyone look at running that on their code to see what needs improving their
so we've talked about performance improvements in the performance monitoring security, I think it's time to look at the new features and CFL. So I know one of them I have I was excited about was the whole asynchronous programming, maybe you can tell us about that.
Kishore 18:06
So I think programming, what it does is, if we have a resource intensive, every part of the code has like 10% of the code, which will be resource intensive segments. So what we could do is we could offload that particular segment to a secondary thread. And it's very easy with cold fusion. As as with all the other features that we had implemented, we are one function called run a sink. So you just call that with that function name, and
wait for it to execute. And it'll run announce a secondary thread. And what it does is you don't have to manage the overhead of having to manage multiple threads, as any programmer will know how difficult it is to manage multiple threads going on. So it takes all the headache away from the programmer. So what he has to do is call up promising and it lost or whatever the resources intensive hold on to the other one, and then keep continuing whatever it has to continue. And once that function is done, it will again, take it up from where it left off
Michaela Light 19:12
that that's great. Because I know parallel programming can get really confusing to do. So it's great, this simplified way to do this. And of course, the whole motivation for this is to perceive speed up the performance location by by having multiple things running at the same time. Yes,
Kishore 19:32
and what we did was be complete completely revamped the UI for the admin portal. So why if you log into your admin page, you'll see that the UI has been completely revamped aware, it's easier to access all the settings, and it will just search for whatever settings you need.
This has been long view, but we were able to pull
Michaela Light 19:58
it and 2018 that is great. Making that more modern than easy to use, definitely helps. And there's a lot of amazing settings in there to to look at.
So I noticed that now you can you have session scope, put an external source that's been true for client variables for a long time. But a lot of people do you session variables. So tell us a bit about
what why you did this and what it achieves.
Kishore 20:30
I don't know that the diabetes but what I could, what I know is that you could configure an external distributed store to retain the session data outside your memory. And this eliminates I think, getting rid of the sticky session configuration and
allows you to have complete load balancing across all cluster nodes. So technical details is something which I think I'll introduce you to my engineering, being the A bellboy has been that rather than me to talk about the technical details of that,
Michaela Light 21:06
ya know, I'd love to interview on the podcast
engineering team cold fusion.
Yeah, I mean, you know, basically, my understanding is that session variables, a stored in memory on the individual server. And if you have a cluster of servers and the users being load balance between servers, you know, their memory wouldn't go with them when they went to another server. So this gets around that without having to recoat the session
variable song, which might be quite complicated with structures and things. So it's great that this option is there. So you can truly load balanced
service without having to change the code. So excited about that. So
what's the next feature you're going to tell us about.
Kishore 21:59
So we have a good of new features, like
there's something called a service playground. And if you know, called vision, I think live, it made it easier for you to expose your function files as REST services, when you just say in the function definition of just address equal to two, and it becomes a race services. But 2018 what we are done with given a new tool called a service playground, what it will do is it will help you to create and manage all your services from that application itself. So you don't have to go around, move, move around, and different tools to manage your services. It's a very simple UI, and you could test validate the accuracy of API's. And
one of the key things which I like the board that was, you know, you could make changes to the REST API is without the 2016 and all What do you have, if you make any change to your REST API, you have to restart the application with 2018 You don't have to do that.
So great, save a lot of time for people,
Michaela Light 23:14
right. And also what what I'll do in the show notes sign I know we were covering so many things here. And we can't go into detail of these each of these things. But what I will do is I'll put links to the you know, detailed info on the Adobe site on each of these features in the show notes. So if any of these cash listeners attention particularly then we'll put further and fall on those that you can you can go down and learn more about him and I will interview some of the coffee and engineers to get the real inside scoop on it as well. So I know one new feature you added in was rebel processing for read evaluate print loop so you can run CFL father command line, yes, bit about that, because that sounds quite intriguing.
Kishore 24:04
So in 2016, we introduced the command line interface. And I think as an extension of that what we did was with this release, we have the command I'm the Facebook rebels of what it could do. You could work with your files, databases and invoke web services by using the CSM by other online
and it will save a lot of time so that you don't have to open up an admin a tool for writing your CSM and code you could just test it out and the command line interface itself
Michaela Light 24:45
and you can use this right batch files, for example, you're seeing a server config, you know, using the admin API or or anything else you really want to have cold fusion for really becomes a little batch processing language is doing tasks. So instead of having to learn pole or some other scripting language, you could do the scripting in cold fusion.
Kishore 25:11
Yes, it will take a lot of time, especially in setting are both
Michaela Light 25:16
that's great event at the end. And I know that's been available through command box for a year or two. So grey, the Adobe notice that and add that into cold fusion 2018.
So what about the
comment exchange? Tell, tell us about them.
Kishore 25:40
So PDF is one of the most widely used features
among our customers last away, we're on 30% of them are still using a qualification as a PDF generation Angel. And it's not only a PDF, but the major part of the world is generating PDFs. And we had integrated a lot of PDF functionalities in 2016. Now, what we did was with the 2018
year PDF as the functionality of you know, you could add comments to the PDF files. Now, what we could do is we could easily export the PDF files from one PDF, one PDF document to another, and you could even portion where the comments needs to be placed in the destination file. So you as an approving authority for some insurance application if you approve it with some comments. And if you want to archive that, you would ideally remove that when you're sending it to the customer, you will remove the comments. But if you are going to archive that you might need you might want to archive it along with your comments. So this makes it much easier.
The other thing what we had was, you know, we could standardize the PDF Mater across the organization,
let's say if your company has a particular metadata, which you want to have a to copyright notice who are thinking from, what's your company name, how it should be specified, and your logo. And you could do all that by just standardizing the PDF metadata. So no matter who creates the PDF, who's logged in us to play the PDF, it will be standardized across in the organization.
Michaela Light 27:34
Oh, wow. So, you know, just looking back at all the existing PDF features, and cold fusion, it really isn't a, you know, a PDF powerhouse, you know, you can generate PDFs from web pages, or from other documents, you can merge PDF pieces together, I believe, you know,
there's all kinds of sent, you can convert other file types to PDFs, like spreadsheets, or Word docs. So, you know,
really, if you're using PDFs in your organization, this lets you, you know, generate and dynamically and pass them around and either either for downloading what you could email someone a report in the PDF,
all kinds of things there. So,
and then it also does support all those form fields in PDFs or a Yes it does.
So you can have a dynamic PDF, which, you know, you maybe users can fill in fields, all kinds of stuff. Why.
Okay,
and then what about the metadata in the PDF? See, can you update that as well?
Kishore 28:50
Yes, that the occurred
so I think in 2016 or cF 11, I'm not sure which one it was of be had in Debbie had given out the full fledged PDF engine inside the pollution. So using that you could leverage
so it has a language called BB XML to using that you could leverage what or functionalities that you asked for.
Michaela Light 29:16
Hmm, wow. So cool. Any other new language features we should mention?
Kishore 29:25
For the time being? I think these are the language which game on my head.
Michaela Light 29:30
Okay, well, no worries. If something comes to you later, let me know. And I'll add it in the show notes. I think we've covered a lot of things here. So we we do have some questions from the audience. One of the questions was, whether you have any updates on educational books or training around cold fusion.
Kishore 29:48
So we are coming up with a
couple of things with what we already have is alone CF in a week is already there. And we're 20 16 became a complete youtube youtube course about, you know, getting started with coefficient and that's available on our Adobe coefficient, [email protected] slash of equal patient, the entire curriculum is there. And also if you are an educational institution, if you want to
promote have a course in cold fish, and you could always reach out to me or Russia we have a complete curriculum which is on web design, web development based on cooperation. So then we have the bad good at Columbia does, and if any, any college or anything is interested in having a course will help them out. But the curriculum
Michaela Light 30:47
don't they don't even have to write the curriculum, you can share with them what you have, and they can tweak it as they want and then present a course on it. Yes, I am. That's amazing. I I'm wondering what would it take to get hundreds of colleges and universities to have a cold fusion course in Britain them on?
So if anyone listening at some ideas on that? Let us know in the comments. I think it would be great if we get more young developers in excited about
Kishore 31:20
Yeah, we will be very interested in helping them out.
Unknown 31:27
And
Michaela Light 31:29
now the question related that what tell us about how the licensing for high schools and college
colleges work, you know, if a professor wants to teach or teacher wants to teach cold fusion is the some licensing you you have on that or
Kishore 31:46
how does we do provide a free license if you are going to teach corporation or if you're a student who wants to use quotation,
all you could do, you could reach out to us for to get that license be what you do, what you do is you reach out to us at Adobe [email protected]. And what we need from you is your ID proof. And we will send across the serial number for builder and coefficient standard.
Michaela Light 32:15
So they just need to show their teachers are professor and then you can send them those licenses for them and their students to do learn cold fusion. And just to clarify that this is only for teaching if, if the if the school or the university has applications that running that's not covered by this, but
Kishore 32:35
that's not covered by this is all for personal use. If they want to learn more than that possible. That is a sport.
Michaela Light 32:45
That's great. I think we need to get the word out on that, you know, yes, maybe I'll do a blog post all about education and cold fusion and see if we can get some more excitement there. Because I know a lot of higher education, universities, colleges use cold fusion. So it seems to me would make sense to get them teaching it as well.
So
and then what the final question I had so far as, what about certifications, they used to be a certification for cold fusion? Is there any certifications out there even while we are planning
Kishore 33:25
on coming up with the certification program for 2018, so I think by March or April, we should have that online
Michaela Light 33:37
at six. exciting to hear
and then other any third party tests people can take or
Kishore 33:47
know it'll be mostly be online. It will be hosted on Adobe's lm s Oh, okay. We'll come back to you with the details by
Michaela Light 33:59
fabulous is exciting news. I know, a lot of developers like to get certified kind of helps them get a job or promotion. Yes. And of course, you know, just by going through the act of learning to take the certification, you just learn a whole bunch of stuff about the language you didn't even know was in there.
Unknown 34:17
Exactly.
Michaela Light 34:19
That's quite a lot of benefits to doing that. So exciting. So let's move on to ask some
questions I asked school my interviewees, which is why are you proud to use cold fusion, be involved in it
Kishore 34:38
personally, I've never seen another language, which is easy to learn. And
very, could do a lot of things like if you're to integrate with SharePoint if you only integrate with your if, you know, manipulate your PDF automatically to excel. And
you could create beautiful dashboards of coefficient in
so this is where I, I was hooked on to confession. And
other than that, I, to be honest with you, I haven't developed any big application, I just tinkered around with creating dashboards or manipulating my Excel or creating a batch file and stuff like that.
Michaela Light 35:20
That's great.
Kishore 35:22
So what I'd seen as some of the beautiful applications which customers are written, and there was this
healthcare company in Singapore, which showed me their application, which was written completely in cold fusion, and which basically manages the entire hospital, right, from patient registration to doctor scheduling to how the X rays are being scanned. And they literally run the entire cold fusion entire the entire hospital on a platform, which is written in cold fusion.
Unknown 36:00
So
Kishore 36:01
you have seen what NASA is doing with coefficient you had heard at that see of summer, and we are seeing what worked way is doing and we have seen all the amazing customers what come up at sea of summer to showcase their application. So I'd never seen a language which was like 23 years old, those do anything like this, and it's still relevant today. And it will be relevant for more days to come.
Michaela Light 36:31
Yeah, I mean, I it's amazing what people are doing some of the apps I've seen just incredible what people are making cold fusion do And speaking of, you know, the future Can you share with us, you know what future versions Adobe already has officially got plans for,
Kishore 36:51
we are already working on called vision 2020 release. And
we also we all already started thinking about the 2022 release as well. So we normally think two releases ahead. So have been we started thinking about 2022 2020
we had solidified most of the features side and then team is already working on it. 2022 we are still in the strategy phase where we are thinking about what are the features that we should look at. And one of the new things that we need to bring your time obviously, that's not hard and fast things are bound to change in the three years that for years that vital identity 22 comes into picture. But things are mostly solidified for 2020 people already started building the features.
Michaela Light 37:37
Wow. So I know Adobe provides five years of core support after you do a release and one year of extended support zone. If you add that those six years on to the 2022 days. That means Adobe has a public commitment to cold fusion until 2028, which is 10 years away which is like several internet lifetimes
Kishore 37:58
Exactly.
Michaela Light 38:01
So I think that's very commendable you've got a you know public strong support for cold fusion on future versions
if if folks want to suggest features or improvements to for cold fusion 2020 or 2022 How should they submit those to Adobe they could always reach out to Russia who's the product manager
Kishore 38:25
so he takes the called on but other features that will get them and he'll be the right person and you know direction is always reachable
oh yes proper mail and mainland he'll he'll he'll always respond to emails immediately.
Michaela Light 38:41
I'll put his email into the show notes for anyone who doesn't
Kishore 38:44
have his email already. But and he also goes to a lot he was just at CF camping. Yes. And that's, that's another thing, which I wonder value, you could find them and almost all the conferences and he keeps on doing customer road shows as well. So you could find them at any of the space.
Michaela Light 39:01
And I think I've seen him in the CF Slack channel as well. Yes, so many ways
Kishore 39:07
you could reach out to either one of us, me, Alicia or Russia or anyone in engineering team, and we will send it send it across to Russia. So if you're not able to find Russia, you could always find on us. And there's always available on the Slack channel. And the most of my engineering team is also all the Slack channel and you could always reach out to one of them, and they will forward it to Russia for me.
Michaela Light 39:34
Okay, great. And I seem to remember there's this like a public park list somewhere where, you know, you you keep track of things people have reported, is that still,
Kishore 39:48
yes, there's a tracker, which we have, and that's still available
Michaela Light 39:53
so people can report things there or see if something's already been reported. And up, you know, requests get things fixed sooner rather than later, it's really bugging them. Exactly. That's great. Well, always good to know, when Adobe's listening to cold fusion developers on new features or issues. We always we always listen, maybe there might be some delay in the response. But we do always listen,
that's great. So you know, sometimes people think cold fusion is getting a little old. So my question to you here is, you know, what would it take to make cold fusion more alive this year,
Kishore 40:41
I would personally like to see a lot more community participation. And obviously, from our side of, we also will be doing a lot more stuff in the coming year, I'll cover the blog post towards the end of the year to lead
to ask for feedback, as well as to tell one things that we are planning for marketing side. But the one thing that could
but could help us is lot more community participation. We have a community portal that's a place where you could showcase your work, ask any questions. And then unity was always listening. And if you want us to promote something before do that, but coming back to
what we are hearing as like, you know, when we go to customers, everyone has, like,
fully sold onto the platform.
While what we ideally need to do now was to propagate that outside the coefficient ecosystem, let them know that what amazing apps people are developing what are the cool things that you are you as developers have done with the product because now when we talk when college kids talks about cool factor, they're normally talking about new languages
it's it's good new languages like you know are good but cold fusion has established itself for the last 23 years and we had seen the amazing applications that people have developed it's high time that you know the developers come out and talk about the applications that they're written showcase the applications maybe if you want we could do a customer success story
Michaela Light 42:29
that would be great to get the word out on what you know what's cool and I you know, certainly here at Terra tech we do that you know I'm always happy to interview on the podcast people who have done cool things we call fusion or whether that cool thing was you know a technic technological cool thing or maybe it was just they could rapidly implement something and transform their organization. So yes. Let's lot spangles to this
speaking of community participation Do you happen to have the dates of the CF Summit East and West next year or
or
Kishore 43:10
in DC is going to be in April 9 and 10th
and the Vegas one is going to be an October 1 we
I don't have the dates but we have the dates locked on for the first week I'll give you the exact dates maybe in a in a couple of days time once we sign on the contract
Michaela Light 43:31
right what's exciting that you're committed to those events because I know I spent a lot of spend a lot of a lot of time and money on those I can't imagine how expensive that Last Vegas hotel was this year but it was a spectacular conference in the tickets really want that you know I'm sure the tickets didn't cover the cost of the event so
I can tell no. So Adobe's putting hundreds of thousands of dollars into these events to help Hey guys
Kishore 44:01
read one place where you get to see how many other developers are using and hear from them. And then last year we had around roughly around 520 developers attending the event and you were there you had seen it as a household show and it was great to interact with all these developers to understand and also last year was a probably the first time that we have been doing in the last six years that we have been doing CF summit that we got
majority of the people were between one to five years experience
language like cold fusion, you normally would expect people to be at least five plus years old experience guys are coming to the event but last year we have we saw significant surge in the number of people who were between the one to five experience bracket which was heartening to see which tells people with me on the being that you know, a lot more inquiries new adoption which is happening
Michaela Light 45:07
as the new people coming to that I certainly saw both new and old there so
fabulous. You reaching out to new folks as well. Wait, what did you particularly enjoy in this year's CF summit in Las Vegas
Kishore 45:27
for me, the highlight was having NASA come up and talk about their application usage and also returns and worked way and about we have seen the cool applications that they're developed and particularly the highlight for me was NASA having them
Michaela Light 45:46
yes
Kishore 45:48
talking
everyone admires NASA who doesn't advice but it was how it was good to see that they have been using cold fusion for so long and still committed to using the platform and still kicking ass and
I know why there was one metric which john had circulated on told on NASA where any said like give me a million dollar more I could rewrite the applications that were written in conclusion I'm not sure about the million dollar I don't know it's 10 million or something like that.
Michaela Light 46:24
So if I wanted to move it to another language it would have cost a million dollars I'm not sure
yes so they decided it made more sense to keep it in cold fusion and modernize it was at the application yes which I think makes sense you know i mean cold fusion is going to be around for four years you know probably more than a decade it's not a commitment and probably keep going beyond that I imagined so
I think that that makes sense so
I oh yes How come you went dancing on the stage I saw trip ID and David Tattersall doing the whatever that dance was on easy and that a band with my music and they encourage people to come up on stage
Kishore 47:18
yeah
Michaela Light 47:24
oh well yeah it was it was great event it was all happening at a fancy Hotel in Las Vegas the Hard Rock Cafe though I think next year is maybe a different hotel every model that hotel this year
so finally I know that in a
week or twos time you've got CF summit India coming up which is the first time for that
and that's in Bangalore I'm guessing
Kishore 47:53
yes so CEO Summit India going to happen out of the Adobe download Adobe opposite Sylvan Bangalore.
Initially we thought we could have outside then
it's better to do it in Adobe office itself where people could see the entire team and the reception for the event was has been amazing so far we started promoting the event like 45 days before and right now we have close to around 93 companies who will be attending the event and roughly around 280 registrations to date and that number keeps on going wow
Michaela Light 48:33
that's amazing so this is a free event right so one day free so one day we like the seed yeah it's a it's a bit similar to the CF Summit East that you do in Washington DC yes
Kishore 48:49
and east from the first time we did it we had like 30 people attending the event and last year I think that so the so the third year that we are done the event in
Michaela Light 49:03
DC
Kishore 49:04
last year we had our post on 30 people the next day we had our own 70 last year it just took off we had close to 230 people who came to the event
Unknown 49:15
and
Kishore 49:17
even a bigger turnout for
Michaela Light 49:22
that is great very signing and I also know you you know you've help support the other conferences the CF camp the into the box and yes so your events related
Kishore 49:37
see if camp into the box. These are amazing events to be in. And
Michaela sorry, machine does an amazing job putting the CF cam into the box. You know the box guys?
Michaela Light 49:51
Yeah, they all like all the spokes they do a great job on that it's amazing and hoping that the dates won't clash with CF Summit East this year. No, no,
Kishore 50:07
I spoke with all those guys and
Louie said like, no, the they're not clashing with us. I think we are in May and we are going an excellent
Michaela Light 50:18
that's great. Appreciate you coordinating with him. Yeah, last time
Kishore 50:21
it was hard it was overlapping
Michaela Light 50:26
Yeah, well it didn't actually overlap but they would like it was the next day
the next day. Yeah,
right. Well, anything else you want to share with our listeners before we go
Kishore 50:41
nothing else from my side does that keep doing what you have been doing the now and keep the faith that it will be will be still be supporting cold fusion and we are still here.
Michaela Light 50:52
Well, yeah, you're still there. You doing a great job. It seems to be getting more successful every year. So thanks for coming on the podcast day.
Kishore 51:02
Thanks for having me.
And you have an amazing day.
Michaela Light 51:10
Yeah, I will. I'm now trying to figure out the mechanics of how he stopped the Facebook Live this first time I got here is the thing in the menu. Thanks everyone for watching on the live
