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State of the CF Union 2020 Survey (Partial Results)

April 8, 2020 By Michaela Light Leave a Comment

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    • Hello from Mexico! Viva CFML!
    • .net core seems like a great solution between C# and F# interop and the ability to write mobile apps in C# and F# and finding programmers is much less of an issue.
    • Supporting Lucee is the way forward for modern CFML and it should get primary placement in emails/comments/tweets/blogs/articles. Getting and using Adobe CF isn't really an convenient way forward for students/modern devs (it's a turn off).
    • Yes - where are all the Udemy, Coursera, EdX, online courses, where are the WACK books and why did Forta and Camden ditch CF?, where are the new books on Amazon? Where are Amazon published reference books? CF perceived dead as the marketing and training materials have not been updated since 2010. That's 10 years ago and nothing since. therefore seems Dead.
    • Thank you for your work to make CF vibrant.
    • Need to expand this greatly to ask things like: - Sector (education/government/corporate/agency/small business) - Customer Sector (see above) - Engine / Version (very useful) - along with js frameworks (also pure javascript libs), should ask about microframeworks (aka http://microjs.com/#) - What blogs do you read (ben nadel/adobe/ortus) - What size apps do you build - What ORM/DAO do you use lots more but these would be a baseline...
    • Build IDE for this language
    • We are rebuilding our front-end in Vue.js/Quasar and leaving the CFML as an API backend
    • CF is viewed as cost probative for enterprise, not due to development times but due to infrastructure support and dev ops tooling.. security scanning(dast,sast) tools are limited/nonexistent. That which does exist are presumed to not be as robust even if they are supported (example: HP:fortify). Installation and setup(think full dev ops) is also a barrier as infrastructure teams tend to be Microsoft or open source(linux) focused - meaning budgets are broken out to assess the cf cost in isolation and is always reported as higher operating costs and higher risk than is counterparts. The move to lean agile teams operating in factory like fashion along with all of the separation of duties requirements means the entire pipeline would need to be staffed with people competent in there niche of cf expertise, not just development.
    • Adobe should market CF more and should focus on not loosing relations with the organisation already using it and should focus on it by highlighting benefits which organisations are not aware of because they only see the license cost and no one from Adobe is doing the job highlight the other side of using CF.
    • Finding ColdFusion work is almost impossible these days.
    • I run a customized version of Lucee 5.3 that I made which reduces the chance that it will ever become unsupported while I'm using it. I patched or removed several of the complexities and problems it had that I don't need. I'm Bruce Kirkpatrick, sometimes I talk on the Lucee forum. I don't see CFML as a third party thing to worry about anymore having made it my own thanks to the quality of the open source project and my desire to learn Java & JVM bytecode. I felt like it was more important to lock down what I need and keep it stable then to have new features, or bloat.
    • Easy integration with java
    • I think you should focus on making all current features 100% bulletproof before adding new features. It is scary to update to new versions as things break. For example, I use a lot of PDF stuff and one of the upgrades changed how every PDF looked. Impossible to change hundreds of source files so I downgraded. Will work on it when I have time. New releases that have potential to break code should have a warning and tips on how to fix it
    • Great survey, long live CF (esp. Lucee)!
    • I love CFML, I've been using it since Macromedia owned it. We need a marketing campaign that let's the business world know that it's still here and still supported. No one other than CFML developers think it's still a thing.
    • I'd like to know how people are warding off attempts to move too low-code solutions like PowerApps.
    • I am FULL STACK SENIOR COLDFUSION developer. I have more than 17 years experience to work on LARGE SCALE applications with BIG TEAMS all over the world. I LOVE TO WORK WITH COLDFUSION. Have a look into my following profile: https://www.upwork.com/freelancers/~0113fc9bc78e43db41 I maintained really good repute by providing QUALITY work on TIME.
    • How CFML handles the transition to serverless will determine its future viability. Adobe's refusal to allow anything but enterprise on the cloud negates a lot of the good work of the CF team.
    • Thanks.
    • Thanks for keeping the CF torch burning 🙂
    • cf still rocks. fast as fnck. i do financial stuff, things have gone 100% client/js. i still like cf. just need to be able to afford food for kids. cf stuff is becoming rare. beed in it since 1998 cf 2.0 Allaire like Jesus needs to return..
    • No
    • No.
    • Thank you
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Below are the partial results to date for the 2020 State of the CF Union survey. See how you compare with other CFML developers. Discover what most developers use for tools, languages, database and development methods.

Can you help? If you have a blog, are on a ColdFusion list, LinkedIn, Facebook, Google group please share the survey so that we can get a more complete picture of the current State of the CF Union. Thanks!

Cf2

1. What version of CFML Engine do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

CommandBox
CommandBox

2. What type of CFML Engine are you running? (Check all that apply)

3. What CF Server OS are you using (Check all that apply)?

4. What OS do you run on your laptop/PC? (Check all that apply)

Others

ChromeOS

5. What browsers/client platforms do you support in your apps? (Check all that apply)

Others

all
Brave
Brave
Brave
Brave
Brave
Brave
Brave
Brave
Brave Browser
cCleaner browser
Dissenter
Dissenter
Edge Classic (different from edge)
N/a, no special browser support
We don't create apps

6. Databases you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

Edge Classic (different from edge)

7. What MVC Frameworks do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

Custom
custom framework
Diimes
Farcry
FarCry
FarCry
FarCry Core
Home Grown
https://github.com/cargopooling-inc/mvc
https://github.com/cargopooling-inc/mvc
Kendo MVVM
Mach-II is legacy being upgraded to coldbox
Own
self develop
XOME

8. What ColdFusion-based CMS do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

A CMS that is not CF based
Adobe AEM (their CMS offering)
Airtable
Diimes
Drupal
Drupal
Dynasite
NA
none
PowerSites
self develop
Visual Studio
Wandsoft
Wheelie CMS
WordPress

9. What JavaScript libraries do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

(should be called Angular without "JS" today)
Ajax
alpaca.js
Angular
Angular
Angular
Angular 7+
Handlebars
Highcharts
Home Grown
Inertia.js, Nuxt.js
Intercoolerjs
jqx
mootools
mustache
Nuxt
Nuxt.js
Rarely used
Semantic UI

10. What CSS frameworks do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

zurb foundation
w3.css
Vuetify.js
Vuetify, vue bootstrap
Vuetify
USDSv1
US Web Design System
uikit
TailwindUI
TailwindCSS
Tailwindcss
Tailwind
Tailwind
Tailwind
Tailwind
tailwind
Tailwind
Tailwind
tailwind
Tailwind
Tailwind
Tachyons
Sticker
Simple Grid
Semanticui
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11. What CFC dependency injection frameworks and tools do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

Home Grown
self develop
XOME

12. Which persistence frameworks do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

cfmlDataMapper
FarCry Core
FarCry Core
FarCry ORM
Hibernate in Groovy/Java/Spring layer
jwt
QB
QUICK ROCKS!
XOME

13. What testing and mocking frameworks do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

cfwheels
Custom
Cypress
Cypress
Cypress
Cypress
Cypress
Cypress
Fortify
Home grown unit testing
Homegrown
https://github.com/intuit/karate
Internal
Katalon Studio
Siesta

14. What type of CF Mobile development frameworks are you using? (Check all that apply)

Others

AIR
Basic4Android
Bootstrap
Custom/home grown
ExtJs
flutter
Flutter
Flutter
Flutter
Flutter
https://expo.io/
Just good responsive HTML
Kendo Mobile
Native script
Non-CF mobile development
Not doing "CF Mobile" development
not doing mobile dev as of now
Quasar
Quasar with Cordova
react native
React Native
React native
React Native
React Native, Flutter
Several
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15. What miscellaneous frameworks/tools are you using? (Check all that apply)

Others

CFLint
DevExtreme
Docker
FusionReactor
FusionReactor
Homegrown
Taffy
Taffy
TestBox

16. What CF features do you use for code reuse? (Check all that apply)

Others

copy/paste
Lucee CFC Based CustomTags
My own homegrown solution
soap & RESTful

17. What do you use for source code control? (Check all that apply)

Others

Assembla
AWS CodeCommit
AWS CodeCommit (Git)
AWS Git
Azure Dev Ops Git
Azure DevOps
Azure devops
Beanstalk
Beanstalk SVN
CodeCommit
CodeCommit
CodeCommit
CodeCommit
CodeCommit (AWS)
CrashPlan PRO
Custom app that essentially zips up folders whenever we deploy code
Git
Git
Git hosted with Unfuddle
Git on Microsoft DevOps
Git server standalone
GitKraken
Home Grown
Local Git
Microsoft DevOps
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18. What tools/IDEs do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

VS Codium
Vim
Vim
textastic (https://www.textasticapp.com/)
neovim, vim
I would still love to be using cfStudio/Homesite
EditPad
dbeaver
CoffeeCup HTML Editor
Arachnophilia

19. What browser Dev Tools do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

Brave
BrowserStack, Edge Dev Tools
Chromium
Edge Chromium
Edge Dev Tools
Edge Dev tools
Edge Dev Tools (not Edge Classic)
MS Edge (Chromium) Dev Tools
Postman Interceptor

20. What do you use to build REST APIs? (Check all that apply)

Others

.NET
.NET
ASP.NET Core
ASP.NET Web API
CF API Manager
FarCry Core
FarCry Core API plugin
Laravel, Spring
MachII REST
Need Dev CF API Manager
Paw
Postman for documentation and testing
Powernap, though we will likely transition away soon
Preside Data API
Preside REST API and Preside DATA APIs
Preside REST extension
Relaxation
Relaxation
Relaxation (=REST framework for CFML)
SOAP CFC

21. What caching solutions are you using? (Check all that apply)

Others

Akamai
AWS Cloudfront
Built in CF Caching features
cf_cache I think from Hal Helms
Cloudflare
CloudFlare
custom
Farcry
FarCry Object Broker
homegrown
Java Soft Cache
Ortus Redis

22. How many years have you used CFML? (Check one)

23. How many years have you used OO? (Check one)

24. Other languages/environments you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

Bash
Bash/Shell Scripting
Basic4Android
dart
Dart, Flutter
Delphi
Django
Elixir
Expo
F#
Flutter
Flutter/Dart
Lua
Objective-C
Powershell
Rust
Rust
Swift
Swift
Swift UI
Trying to learn Rust
Typescript
Typescript
TypeScript
UE4 Visual Scripting (Blueprint)

25. How many CF developers at your organization? (Check one)

Others

100+
102
Not sure

26. How many total employees at your organization? (Check one)

27. How often do you attend ColdFusion User Group meetings? (Check one)

28. Which CF conferences will/did you attend this year? (Check all that apply)

Others

Adobe Summit 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017
CFSummit East
Into The Box Latam
NCDevCon?
None in AU region
Whichever ones my company sends me to

29. What online CF communities do you participate in? (Check all that apply)

Others

If other, please specify
Adobe Pre-release forum
Ben Nadel website
Box Team Slack
boxteam slack
CF Meetup
CF User Group
cf-brasil
GitHub
My blog
ortus solutions slack
Preside slack
Seattle ColdFusion User Grouo
TACFUG
If other, please specify

30. I listen to the CF Alive podcast (Check one)

31. I listen to the Modernize or Die Podcast (Check one)

32. What types of DEVELOPMENT setups do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

A copy of the folder on the prod server
Amazon Workspace
And uat
AWS
Local VM's that mirror our production environments
Parallel Desktop
Parallels
Remove development servers for each dev
scripted AWS instance deploys

33. What types of PRODUCTION deployments do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

AWS
AWS Elastic Beanstalk via Jenkins
Azure
Azure devops
Azure VMs + Azure DBs
Didn't understand the question
FTP
Hostek
Infrastructure via Ansible
never did
This list is useless... no google, no azure, no alibaba (3 of 4 biggest clouds)... seriously...
U-Deploy

34. What hosting services do you use for your PRODUCTION deployments? (Check all that apply)

Others

123 Reg
Ayera
CenturyLink Cloud
Client Specific
Cogego Peer 1
ColdFusion Dynamics
Contabo
Contabo, Contech Lab
Corporate
DataBank
Dedicated server on Online.fr
Didn't understand the question
Digicert
Digital Ocean
Fasthosts, Easyspace
Flexential
Gearhost
Glesys,
GoDaddy
GoWest
Hetzner
Hetzner
hivelocity
hostEurope
Hosting.com / Ntirety
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35. What Docker Image(s) are you using? (Check all that apply)

Others

Docker fridus/coldfusion9
Dreamstime
Mura CMS
Not sure
wordpress

36. What deployment/build tools do you use? (Check all that apply)

Others

Ansible
Ansible
AWS CodeBuild, AWS CodeDeploy, AWS CodePipeline
AWS CodeDeploy
Azure Dev Ops Pipelines
Azure devops
Azure devops
Azure DevOps
Azure pipelines
bash
Bash Scripts
bash-scripts
BB Pipelines
Beanstalk
beanstalk app
Beanstalk, Webpack
Bitbucket Pipelines
Bitbucket Pipelines
Bitbucket Pipelines
BitBucket Pipelines
Bitbucket Pipelines
Bitbucket pipelines
BitBucket Pipelines
BitBucket pipelines
Bitbucket Pipelines
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37. What monitoring tools are you using? (Check all that apply)

Others

?
3rd party service
A series of in-house written scripts
AWS
AWS
AWS monitoring endpoints
Azure
BUGLOGHQ / AWS AMI Logs
cloudwatch
CloudWatch
CloudWatch
Custom
Custom
custom
Custom
custom built curl script
Custom, AWS monitoring, and several third-party tools not listed here.
DataDog
Datadog
Datadog HQ
Daynatracert
Don't know, different team
Elastic APM Kibana
Foglight
Glowroot
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38. How do you lock down your servers for security? (Check all that apply)

Others

auto lockdown tool (adobe)
AWS Security Groups, Router based rule-sets
Don't know, different team
Follow DISA STIG
Fortify
HackmyCF / Pete Frietag
hostek takes care of this (i think)
Modified STIG on the StigViewer site for CF 11
Most of lockdown guide, other custom config.
Not, really sure
RO filesystem, basic common sense.
WAF

39. Have your CF servers suffered from a hacking exploit in the last 2 years due to a CF-based vector? (Remember, this is anonymous) (Check all that apply)

Others

CVE-2018-15961
Don't know
Don't know, different team
I don't know
No, but they're behind firewall
Not, really sure
We use BugBounty to identify things. So, yes, and no.
Who knows!!!
XXE
yes

40. What aspects of CF are keeping you and/or your company using it? (Check all that apply)

Others

Basically we are stuck. I would NEVER start a new project in CF.
But due to cost and less marketing by Adobe for companies already using it, companies are moving towards open source without seeing the benefits of ColdFusion
Cf is being decommissioned at Wells Fargo
Code base too extensive to consider migrating to something else
Cost to Convert
ease of use
Easier than switching.
existing production code in CF
familiar and capable
Flexible transaction engine. Robust
Huge legacy code
It pays well
It's the language that I know
It's what I know.
java integration
Legacy
Legacy
legacy apps
Legacy code
Legacy code
Legacy Code
legacy code
Legacy code
N/A
n/a
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41. What aspects of CF are preventing you or your company from embracing CF? (Check all that apply)

Others

,net core is killing us right now
.NET town has bias against CF including members of our leadership team
ACF is in absolute shambles, ORM is broken, Closures are broken, simple bugs go unfixed for YEARS
Adobe needs to do a much better job at marketing
Adobe New Feature Developers Build in a Vacuum
Adobe support, quality and documentation has gone down in recent years
Adobe's aggressive licensing tactics and pricing
Adobe's poor support and marketing of the technology
Cost
Cost
cost
Cost
Cost
Cost
Cost of Adobe CF
Expensive licensing
Huge increased cost of ownership
I like that Lucee is open source, but the user and maintainer community is too small for the software to be great
IDE Slow and Limited Linting, Debugging Missing
In Enterprise, it's either Java or C#... 🙁
Infrastructure refuses to provide support
It is sometimes a bit slow, because Java
Lack of Quickstart tools, like a Lucee AMI
Less marketing and value by Adobe Sales team for CF
Licensing cost
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42. What is your approximate salary range in USD? (Remember, this is anonymous) (Check one)

Others

No
no thanks
none of your business
Private
rather not say

43. What is your current arrangement for CF work? (Check all that apply)

44. What percentage of your PROFESSIONAL development time is spent on CFML (as opposed to other languages)? (Check one)

45. What percentage of your HOBBY development time is spent on CFML (as opposed to other languages)? (Check one)

46. Any additional comments?


Hello from Mexico! Viva CFML!

.net core seems like a great solution between C# and F# interop and the ability to write mobile apps in C# and F# and finding programmers is much less of an issue.

Supporting Lucee is the way forward for modern CFML and it should get primary placement in emails/comments/tweets/blogs/articles.
Getting and using Adobe CF isn't really an convenient way forward for students/modern devs (it's a turn off).

Yes - where are all the Udemy, Coursera, EdX, online courses, where are the WACK books and why did Forta and Camden ditch CF?, where are the new books on Amazon? Where are Amazon published reference books?

CF perceived dead as the marketing and training materials have not been updated since 2010.

That's 10 years ago and nothing since. therefore seems Dead.

Thank you for your work to make CF vibrant.

Need to expand this greatly to ask things like:

- Sector (education/government/corporate/agency/small business)
- Customer Sector (see above)
- Engine / Version (very useful)
- along with js frameworks (also pure javascript libs), should ask about microframeworks (aka http://microjs.com/#)
- What blogs do you read (ben nadel/adobe/ortus)
- What size apps do you build
- What ORM/DAO do you use

lots more but these would be a baseline...

Build IDE for this language

We are rebuilding our front-end in Vue.js/Quasar and leaving the CFML as an API backend

CF is viewed as cost probative for enterprise, not due to development times but due to infrastructure support and dev ops tooling.. security scanning(dast,sast) tools are limited/nonexistent. That which does exist are presumed to not be as robust even if they are supported (example: HP:fortify).

Installation and setup(think full dev ops) is also a barrier as infrastructure teams tend to be Microsoft or open source(linux) focused - meaning budgets are broken out to assess the cf cost in isolation and is always reported as higher operating costs and higher risk than is counterparts.

The move to lean agile teams operating in factory like fashion along with all of the separation of duties requirements means the entire pipeline would need to be staffed with people competent in there niche of cf expertise, not just development.

Adobe should market CF more and should focus on not loosing relations with the organisation already using it and should focus on it by highlighting benefits which organisations are not aware of because they only see the license cost and no one from Adobe is doing the job highlight the other side of using CF.

Finding ColdFusion work is almost impossible these days.

I run a customized version of Lucee 5.3 that I made which reduces the chance that it will ever become unsupported while I'm using it. I patched or removed several of the complexities and problems it had that I don't need. I'm Bruce Kirkpatrick, sometimes I talk on the Lucee forum. I don't see CFML as a third party thing to worry about anymore having made it my own thanks to the quality of the open source project and my desire to learn Java & JVM bytecode. I felt like it was more important to lock down what I need and keep it stable then to have new features, or bloat.

Easy integration with java

I think you should focus on making all current features 100% bulletproof before adding new features.

It is scary to update to new versions as things break. For example, I use a lot of PDF stuff and one of the upgrades changed how every PDF looked. Impossible to change hundreds of source files so I downgraded. Will work on it when I have time. New releases that have potential to break code should have a warning and tips on how to fix it

Great survey, long live CF (esp. Lucee)!

I love CFML, I've been using it since Macromedia owned it. We need a marketing campaign that let's the business world know that it's still here and still supported. No one other than CFML developers think it's still a thing.

I'd like to know how people are warding off attempts to move too low-code solutions like PowerApps.

I am FULL STACK SENIOR COLDFUSION developer. I have more than 17 years experience to work on LARGE SCALE applications with BIG TEAMS all over the world.

I LOVE TO WORK WITH COLDFUSION.

Have a look into my following profile:

https://www.upwork.com/freelancers/~0113fc9bc78e43db41

I maintained really good repute by providing QUALITY work on TIME.

How CFML handles the transition to serverless will determine its future viability. Adobe's refusal to allow anything but enterprise on the cloud negates a lot of the good work of the CF team.

Thanks.

Thanks for keeping the CF torch burning 🙂

cf still rocks. fast as fnck. i do financial stuff, things have gone 100% client/js. i still like cf. just need to be able to afford food for kids. cf stuff is becoming rare. beed in it since 1998 cf 2.0
Allaire like Jesus needs to return..

No

No.

Thank you

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