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Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome back to the show. I'm here with Kishore Barry Krishna and we're going to be talking about CF summit west 2019. All it's new and there's a lot new in this. So a new location in Las Vegas, uh, some new speakers and topics sneak peaks about ColdFusion 2020 and um, also some exciting pre-conference classes that we'll get into being selling like hotcakes. So very cool stuff. So welcome. Kishore
Speaker 2: 00:32 thanks Mikayla. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: 00:35 You're welcome. And just in case you don't know, he is now the principal product marketing manager at w got a promotion cause he's been doing such great work marketing confusion and not yes or no, only that he's still coats and cold fusion on occasion when he's not, you know, figuring out how to market the product and putting together amazing events like CF summit with the other team members there. Um, and he does a lot of listening to customers to help understand what's going on and also explaining to people why cold fusion is the best language to use these days. So, um, and he's, Eh, lives in India where he's calling us from. So welcome.
Speaker 2: 01:20 Thanks for Ghana.
Speaker 1: 01:22 I see you're a runner too. I didn't realize that you go [inaudible] you're going to be doing a run in Las Vegas inside just inside the casino. I'll let the cat out of the back. The location. Let's say that. Let's put it that way. Oh, okay. Run in the fitness center. There you go. But the hotel itself is enormous. I don't know if you've seen it. That the miracle is like, you know, they have that volcano outside and then they have the tigers inside and they have a zillion rooms. And then of course there's the whole ballroom and a conference center where we're going to be. So it's like a small city. Yeah. Um, anyway, I think we should just back up and for anyone who doesn't know what CF summit is, w what exactly is it? Yeah.
Speaker 2: 02:11 Uh, so of summit, I put it as a, you know, one place where all the ColdFusion developers, designers, you know, strategists, spend thought leaders come to provide a, it's a perfect forum for them to exchange ideas and draw inspiration from each other and share their experiences. And, uh, what we had seen as we use, typically, our crowd is typically around 60% developers and you have a close to 30% decision makers in the, in the cloud. And it's also one place where in, um, you get to see,
Speaker 1: 02:47 okay,
Speaker 2: 02:47 all the cultivation developers, that's one place where you get to meet the actual ColdFusion developers who develop the product and interact with them as well. And it's also one place where, and they also in fact, but, uh, it's sort of a place where you could get some ideas from each other. Uh, it's not, it's not everyday occurrence that I could envision a developer who's developing called fruition that is the Adobe engineers, uh, get to interact with the developers, but the actual code developers to know how the features which they're developed are being utilized.
Speaker 3: 03:22 Okay.
Speaker 1: 03:22 I know that you have about 20 members of the engineering team there or thereabouts. That's amazing. Um, so if you've got something you'd want to see in ColdFusion future version or your, the, some bug that's been getting to you, great point. Place to talk to them and get on it. So, um, wait, why else should all ColdFusion developers go to CF summit?
Speaker 2: 03:47 Oh, well, this year we are launching, um, you know, that does a great place where you could, uh, listen to a, get a get to know about, uh, we have 40 plus sessions, uh, from the top, uh, [inaudible] developers in the community. And also this year we are launching our conviction specialist certification. Again, it's a certificate program and, uh, we are, we also have, uh, two, uh, preconference sessions, uh, one by Charlie hot and the other one by Pete Act. Uh, so all this for $99 for the two day conference. And if you are to take the certification, uh, I, I don't think, I don't see how, if any other conference providing that at, uh, so much and, uh, for such a low price,
Speaker 1: 04:35 it's amazing. Um, I mean the, the, the event itself is still $99. I think that's the best deal on a conference you're ever going to see, particularly in Las Vegas. I looked at some other developer conferences in Las Vegas and talking about at least $1,000 for a ticket. Yes. Um, so this is a [inaudible] obviously Adobe, you know, put some of the marketing budget in order to subsidize the tickets. So to help more people. So there's no excuse to not to come. So, um, you mentioned the specialist certification. Tell us briefly about that and I'll link to the episode idea. I did an interview with Alicia, uh, on that in detail, but just in a few sentences. What, what is this certification thing?
Speaker 2: 05:23 So, uh, we had, I'm sorry [inaudible]
Speaker 1: 05:29 the certification is so big it's causing you to [inaudible].
Speaker 2: 05:33 Uh, nothing like that. Uh, so, uh, the thing is a, B I used to have is certification. I think up till CF nine and the sort of interest sort of died down on the certification and over the past couple of years what we are listen from our developers is that it would be good to have a certificate program for them to showcase their capabilities. And also from what we had heard from our customers, the account is basically that they're finding it difficult to, uh, get coefficient developers. So what we are thinking is this certification is a way where a Newco, you know, if someone takes certification and if you're taking a certification, you know that there's a ace portal and which companies could go actually go and see, okay, who are all the beer called Vishen certified specialist in my area.
Speaker 1: 06:28 So people who pass this tip to go to it will be put in that portal. We find getting jobs easy or maybe if they stay in the same company they might get a promotion easier.
Speaker 2: 06:38 It aids in the career development of the developers as well. So it goes both ways. It's also used to easily find out who, where the coefficient developers are and who are the, what are those guys? Maybe this certification is one place where, and it makes it easier for them to gain a foothold
Speaker 1: 07:00 into the company. Well, must be hundreds of thousands of ColdFusion developers out there. So this is a way to stand out from the masses.
Speaker 2: 07:07 Exactly. So we started promoting the certificate program, uh, four months back and we are clearly laid out that there's a lot of pre-work also involved in the certificate program. Um, and we are very glad that there are close to 130, uh, registrations as of now.
Speaker 1: 07:29 Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: 07:32 So the certificate program is itself going to be a three sessions on three tracks at CF standard.
Speaker 1: 07:41 Oh, okay. And um, it's probably a bit late for anyone to sign up for that cause you have to do two or three weeks of, uh, training ahead of time unless you're able to watch videos really quickly. Cause I think it comes from like 23 hours of training videos. I, I guess you could cram that into a week if you weren't intense. Um, and the other thing I just want to Mesh managing the listeners is even if you've done cold fusion for a long time, you're still going to learn something new from doing this because it covers CF 2018 and it covers things you may not have tried out yourself. So yes. Cool. And then, um, I guess I should, how long CF summit been going? It's been busy quite a while, isn't it?
Speaker 2: 08:24 It's been seven years.
Speaker 1: 08:26 All right. Wow. And do you have any idea how many folks you're expecting to come or
Speaker 2: 08:36 currently we have close to 475 registrations. Wow. Paid registration. So I'm expecting the number to hit around 500.
Speaker 1: 08:45 Wow, that's impressive. So why does, why is this so important to the ColdFusion community and why does Adobe put so much time and effort and money into CF summit?
Speaker 2: 09:01 P A, the thing is we have all these bad color perception problem. The perception that's he of his dad not coming, whether a new release is coming up and whether Adobe is back in ColdFusion or not. Uh, so that is a primary reason why we started off with confusion. And once we started off, we realized that the number of new developers who are joining the ecosystem, I think last year, uh, we figured out more than 65% of the people who came to the CF summit last year. The first time attendees of any of the cultivation conferences you had there last year when we did it at hard rock. So, uh, and I'm sure you, you had come there for DWIs.
Speaker 3: 09:44 Hmm.
Speaker 2: 09:45 Yeah. Ask Him. There's always new people coming. There's always new people who are coming in and there's always new companies or are there, New York owns or being represented and it's one place where learning is definitely there, but the other impact is knowing that Oh this company is using corporation. There are so many other accounts before using [inaudible]. There are so many other developers are using cultivations. So in, in far as it goes, either this forms a part of a community building exercise for us.
Speaker 1: 10:19 That makes sense. Um, cause you have some networking events, there's an evening party and uh, you know, lunch every day, but you're, Adobe pays for so great ways to meet a lot of people. Um,
Speaker 2: 10:34 what we had seen over the years is like, you know, people who attend one year want to speak at the event next year. So we are getting new speakers as well into the ecosystem.
Speaker 1: 10:45 That is great. Um, because you know, I know I am Maya, the people who, you know, spoken 10 or 20 times or whatever, it's good to encourage people to speak for the first time. And I know for myself, when I first started public speaking, I was pretty nervous about it. So encouraging new speakers is a good um, thing. So, uh, speaking of the speakers, who were some of the speakers you're excited about this year and why?
Speaker 3: 11:14 Okay,
Speaker 2: 11:17 so, uh, we have a co, we have a content committee, which I think Alicia, um, heads and they had a open call for speech, uh, papers. I think we opened it up in February or March, maybe around 160 different topics, which just submitted. And actually it was, it's slightly more than that. Uh, I know of the topic. I didn't stay because I remember when I sent a mail out saying that Avi already has so many, what do you have a dance to go? What all of this. I ended up, the committee actually went through all the submissions. So, uh, almost all of them are, I'm really excited about all the sessions. My only concern is that I would mind not be able to go of go to more than 10, 10 different sessions over there.
Speaker 1: 12:03 I thought you lived in a docker instance now and you could just kind of cost yourself to go [inaudible]
Speaker 2: 12:10 sadly, Charlie's help over that because a main guy who's quoted talking about blockers and things like that and Johnny has been, there are some people in the speaker list who have been presenting and almost all the conferences like Charlie's there. Uh, Mike would have at least presented in four or five, uh, day focus on is there if it was as presented in almost all the conferences and other securities are I think a for diag has almost always been there. Uh, Brian Clause, [inaudible] Gomez. Uh, I'm very excited this year to see what Matt give her brings because this is the first time I'd heard a lot of our term, but there's the first time I think we are having about summit and uh, or at least this is the first time I'll be seeing him about summit.
Speaker 4: 13:01 Yeah.
Speaker 1: 13:01 So just explain to our listeners how that committee picks what topics and speakers are going to be at summit. What's the criteria?
Speaker 2: 13:09 That's something I think that you need to ask Alicia about because I don't get involved. Okay. A spike.
Speaker 1: 13:16 Well, you've got a wide variety of topics about different angles of cold fusion. So yes. Um, and like you mentioned, you've got some, uh, experienced speakers. You also got some new speakers. There are some speakers from Adobe, like, uh, Ashish and Rakshit. Yes.
Speaker 4: 13:35 Um,
Speaker 1: 13:36 Alicia is, is there, but there's also most of the speakers, uh, on not Adobe staff. You know, uh, people from companies using cold fusion.
Speaker 2: 13:46 Yes. Yup.
Speaker 1: 13:48 But let's have a look at the, uh, topics. This, like you said, this is 40 plus topics. I listed them out in the show notes on the terra tech site. Um, we do any of these particularly exciting for you this year?
Speaker 1: 14:55 Yeah, it's a, it's amazing what's covered. I, I'm look seeing things on web sockets and how to, you know, have some real time stuff in your app and um, you know, Ho how much, uh, dynamic pdf generation from the financial letters, um, testing details. And, um, I see a thing would rule box from us. I'm guessing it's from the, the oldest guys you work products. So a way to improve your code, um, better security with salting your passwords and uh, um, document workflow, moving from legacy to modern, uh, CFML which is something close to my heart. Um, so augmenting reality even with cold fusion. So maybe that was one you were talking about with react. So, um, yeah, it's, it's amazing. And I, uh, one of the things I'm most excited about is hearing more about cold fusion 2020, that's kind of released next year date to be determined, but sometime in the middle of the year.
Speaker 2: 15:58 Yes. So a ruptured is gonna talk about, uh, what his plans are for 2020 and we are already started working on 2020 release and maybe he might show some code snippets as well. I'm very interested [inaudible]
Speaker 1: 16:14 yes, yes. I'm interested in seeing it. Ronald McCloud effectively, you know, in some of these microservices. And, uh, just the, uh, I don't know if they, they love had got the, uh, size of the insole a smaller by then, but I know that when I,
Speaker 2: 16:32 um, I think, I think you might have, you might have to wait for the keynote and production session to get [inaudible]
Speaker 1: 16:38 to get all that info. Well, I did have a, an interview with Ashish a few weeks back and he did say some of the things, but I'm sure he saved some, some big surprises. Um, so, uh, very cool. So as well as, um, that, let's just talk a bit about the preconference classes. You mentioned them earlier, but we talked about the certification in detail, but what about the other two classes? They're going from zero to 60 with talker and ColdFusion images. Charlie teaching and hands-on ColdFusion security workshop with Pete.
Speaker 2: 17:13 So, uh, Pete idle over there. You had, uh, been there and any of the other pre-conferences but p Pete's pre conferences, always one of the best attended pre-conference sessions because obviously everyone,
Speaker 1: 17:27 okay.
Speaker 2: 17:27 Wants to know about security and how they could harden their servers and stuff like that. And Pete doesn't, amazing job. He has this one website where, and he goes through all different permutations, combinations and it's pretty engaging. And if you have not attended tweet session,
Speaker 1: 17:45 okay.
Speaker 2: 17:45 B, make sure that you attend at least once his sessions to understand what you're missing from a security perspective. And Charlie is offering, um, the going from zero to 60 with docker and docker and ColdFusion images for the first time. Uh, this is a departure from what Charlie used to offer before, but I think, uh, with Adobe's emphasis on dockers and what the world is now moving towards containerization, I think this would be a good, if you have not, don't know anything about Dockery majors or just going to start with dockers. I think this is the session for you guys to be in.
Speaker 1: 18:25 Yeah, I, I if you, if people listening haven't played around with DACA or command box, which is a free tool that lets you, you know, run these things really easy, um, definitely worth, uh, you know, looking at that and trying it out makes you the whole development production, uh, cycle much easier and less error prone. So, um, also a lot faster to put up a sale. So, um, yeah, it's amazing. And, and I really, I'm impressed tile ColdFusion 2020 is embracing containerization and multi-cloud. Um, it's, you know, break starting time to be a ColdFusion, uh, developer right now because I know cloud development is like, so in demand. So the idea that with cold fusion 20, 20, we can do this kind of thing really easily. Um, you know, uh, it's like a, a free boost to your career. Yeah, definitely. And then I, I noticed that there was some, a post-conference cart classes that only supporting on, I, I don't know if you know about those, but I had a look around. Um, so they've got a code box from zero to hero to, yeah, there's a, there's an intro to code box, the zero to hero and then there's, uh, intermediate or code box, which is hero to Superhero API and they are happening. And um, I think thirsty Friday of the week after the, uh, main conference. Yes. In the same location. So, um, very exciting and cool boxes are popular. I think it's the most popular cold fusion framework out there. So
Speaker 2: 20:07 yes, from the survey that you had sent across, that is the most popular framework that people are using.
Speaker 1: 20:14 Yeah. I'll put a link to the, uh, [inaudible] union survey. Yes. Is that in framework one and CF wheels and feed box though? Um, I'll put a note in the show notes. There are. Right. So, um, are there any special events in the evening for folks or,
Speaker 2: 20:37 yes. Um, there we have a dinner at the still, uh,
Speaker 1: 20:43 I
Speaker 2: 20:44 perception that there's still actually, it's hard to know the cell from six o'clock to eight 30 still is a restaurant. So once you get out of your elevator bank, I think it's right there.
Speaker 1: 20:56 Yeah.
Speaker 2: 20:57 You can just set it right and right in the corner when you turn towards the conference room, is that where they have those tigers parading around? Ah, no, unfortunately. Then the tiger bog or somewhere where you can serve liquor. So I'm sorry cause tigers have an insatiable appetite for liquor as well as ColdFusion developers. Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: 21:22 [inaudible] all crunchy. We'd catch up. Just kidding. So just to clarify, when, when exactly is CF summit? It starts on Monday.
Speaker 2: 21:35 Preconference sessions is and a s corporation certificate program is on September 30th October money Monday the 30th Monday the 30th and Tuesday and Wednesday, October 1st and second is the competition conference.
Speaker 1: 21:51 All right. And if people come to this, how much, we mentioned that it's $99 but do they have to buy their own lunch and breakfast and stuff or no.
Speaker 2: 22:02 So Adobe will provide them with breakfast, lunch, the reception party on October 1st and you get afternoon tea break or coffee. Oh yeah, definitely. So those are all included. Wow. You have your tea break snacks, everything is included. I think if you just stayed in Las Vegas for three days
Speaker 1: 22:23 to Starbucks, went to breakfast and ate lunch, you spend more than $99 just for the food. Oh, definitely. So what a deal. Um, so we, we mentioned earlier is that the Mirror Hotel, and for folks who don't know, that's a famous and well-established hotel, been there for like at least 30 years, I think. Maybe more. Uh, it's on the last Vegas Strip, which is the main, like where all the big casino places are. Um, I will warn people attending there is a casino in the hotel.
Speaker 2: 22:55 Yes. That is a casino and the hotel and every hotel in Las Vegas, you have to walk through the casino to go to your room.
Speaker 1: 23:02 Yes. So if you like casinos, you can entertain yourself in the casino. If you don't, you just cover your eyes and kind of walk through and it's in the carpet. Yes. There you go to stay on the carpet and you can make it through the procedure and it's only a few miles from the airport. So very convenient. And just for people who've never been to Las Vegas, it's incredibly cheap to buy plane tickets to Vegas and often you get a direct flight. Southwest Airlines buys to Vegas. So and um, I think there are still hotel rooms at the Mirage, but you know there's thousands of hotels in Las Vegas. Yeah.
Speaker 2: 23:41 You're also a, this year we got a very sweet deal with the hotel. The, I think the hotel room rates spreads just $99.
Speaker 1: 23:48 Wow. Thanks. Yeah.
Speaker 5: 23:51 [inaudible]
Speaker 1: 23:51 yes. You can get, there's a link to that on the CF summit website and I'll put that link in the show notes, but it's basically CF summit dot Adobe events.com and there's a special link to get that price or you can pay twice as much by going to the Mirage hotel site. Oh yes. Yeah. That's also possible. Um, cause sometimes people have corporate travel and they can just book things. How book things. Um, so is there anything else people can do in less Vegas? I'll build a little cold fusion or is it a bit of a quiet city?
Speaker 2: 24:32 Yes. It's a very quiet city. You don't, they go to sleep by eight o'clock, then probably dead by nine 30. So, uh, if you, if you could, if you wanted to take all the action before that, I think you should,
Speaker 1: 24:45 you do that. You've got such a great straight, yeah.
Speaker 2: 24:48 If you haven't walked on the Strip in the evening, the thing that you should do and Miraj also mirrored itself has the Tiger Zoo.
Speaker 1: 24:57 Uh, that's something which I like. Uh, so I had never seen [inaudible] so close. They don't have 'em in Bangla through with the Adobe headquarters, but they don't have the white tigers. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2: 25:11 And those are extremely well fed, as you rightly said. They extremely welfare and yeah.
Speaker 1: 25:17 Anyone who fails the CF certification will be optionally fed to the Tigers. No, just kidding. Um, but yeah, and there's also a, a volcano outside. It's like a replica of a Rio volcano erupts every like half hour or every half an hour. Yeah. I think they started auto clock and that goes on to like 10. Wow.
Speaker 5: 25:42 [inaudible].
Speaker 1: 25:43 Um, and then there's Zillion, there must be two or 300 shows, you know, big shows, musicals, magic shows, liberty's shows, some shows that we can't mention on this g rated podcast. Um, so just to mention some of the ones we get can mention, uh, the blue man group, Chris Angel's mindfreak magic show at Elvis Presley, intra impersonate are not the original voice press. Um,
Speaker 2: 26:14 certainly. So the intro is happening. So who
Speaker 1: 26:16 are you? Have you ever been to a soap distillation? Oh yes. Oh yeah. I think it was like six, six or seven of them. Yes. Um, I see there's a Michael Jackson show, the Beatles show car. Yeah. That, that's a circus Olay. Um, so it was a little [inaudible]. Yes. And then the Noni is the Mirage. Amazing. But if you get a chance to go to visit some of the other casinos on the strip there, it's like an adult theme park. You know, they've got over until you've seen Paris, they have like an Eiffel tower outside and inside it looks like 19th century Paris Venetian with gondolas. And you can kind of go, go around there. And then the Caesar's palace and pretend you're a Roman empire emperor and um, it's just, uh, I think excessive, it might be the right word, um, over the tall entertaining, it's amazing place. And then there's a lot of restaurants and bars in Las Vegas. So I used to say, and um, I guess we're allowed to say this cause marijuana got legalized in Las Vegas. You can even do that, man. I didn't tell anyone that we didn't inhale. Um, I, I you mentioned some things that we knew this year, this year, certifications new, but is there anything else new this year we should highlight? Uh,
Speaker 2: 27:42 nothing else. It's the same thing that we used to have.
Speaker 1: 27:46 Okay. Same exciting stuff as long as yeah. Yeah. Um, and of course new location. So, um,
Speaker 2: 27:53 the location is something where we will be, had been in 2017, I think. 2017. [inaudible] and Mirage. Okay. 2018 we moved to hard rock then. We are, yes.
Speaker 1: 28:03 Yeah, it came back. Well, hard rocks being redeveloped, so we couldn't do it there again. Um, now for folks, I know everyone is mouthwatering Lee ready to go to Las Vegas. We'll see us summit west, but just in case for whatever crazy reason, they can't do that either because their boss thinks that going to Las Vegas is not a business expense. Uh, or maybe they are just in the wrong location and it's hard to get to wait. What other CF summits are happening in the next year?
Speaker 2: 28:33 So, um, we have a CSR in India, which is [inaudible] gonna happen in December 1st week. And um, we have a CF summit in DC, which will be in, uh, April of next year. And um, we're also planning on having another event in, uh, Europe next year.
Speaker 1: 28:56 Oh, you are? That's news. So separate from CF camp, what's happening?
Speaker 2: 29:01 Yes. A or have a one day even before CF camp, uh, we is a very good friend of us, so, uh, we might, how to uh, talk to them to see what we could do.
Speaker 1: 29:13 And, and I, I think I saw all that rack shit is going to be at CF chem, I guess. I don't know if you were going to be there or not, but
Speaker 2: 29:20 [inaudible] than me are going to be at CFG.
Speaker 1: 29:22 You're going to be there. Oh right. You can be German for the week that that I, we just did an interview with the CFM folks, so I'll put the link to that. But it's in the middle of October this year. So
Speaker 2: 29:39 it's on October 17th and 18th.
Speaker 1: 29:41 Yeah. So
Speaker 2: 29:42 you've just got time to recover from CF summit and then you can go to the CF camp in Europe, uh, qualify days, then go back.
Speaker 1: 29:53 Yes. Then you'll be back to India and you can relax somewhat. Um, well very cool. So anything else you wanna share about, uh, CF summit before we switched to more general questions? I ask every person on the podcast.
Speaker 3: 30:09 Okay.
Speaker 2: 30:10 I don't think, Margie, if you want to join the full 50 plus coalition developers, you just have a week more to register and looking forward to all the CF developers already registered.
Speaker 1: 30:22 Yeah, I, I, if anyone's on the fence, I found it an amazing event, learned a lot of new stuff, met really interesting people. A chance to meet people at Adobe and, uh, you know, met some old friends, make some new friends. So of course when I was there, I was promoting my book CF alive and I'll have a few copies of that with me, uh, this year and some unusual extra things that you'll have to come up and ask me for. So, uh, I'll keep that secret. Um, so, um, let's turn to the questions. So why are you proud to use ColdFusion? You've used it for many years now.
Speaker 3: 31:05 [inaudible]
Speaker 2: 31:06 I'm proud to use ColdFusion because you know, it still solves my gets job done quickly and efficiently. Like no other platform does. That's, that's the primary reason why I still use cultivation for a couple of my projects as well. You don't have to worry about, you know, you just started to figure out how to do, do things, but contrition already provides you with, with those capabilities.
Speaker 2: 31:31 That's fine. And this has been the same way from, as I told you before, I started using corporation, I think it was in 1998 or 1999. I was version one 1999 types. Okay. Or maybe I was version two by 1999 so a firm that I was not a full, full fleshed user of ColdFusion, but, uh, I just knew, you know why a couple of my friends used to show care, show it around and saying that, hey honey, see how cool it is to get things done. And I think 2003, 2004, I don't know. One of those years someone showed me how pace nation could be done.
Speaker 3: 32:14 [inaudible]
Speaker 2: 32:16 but I was never looked back. I was not a full fray school vision developer per se, but I, I don't know, I think it's fate. They just kept pulling me inside.
Speaker 1: 32:29 Very cool. So you mentioned earlier, and I talked about this a bit, some people, you know, think ColdFusion is dying and I'm on this mission to ColdFusion more alive, hence the podcasts. And
Speaker 4: 32:42 the book will be articles right on our pod, our blog. Um,
Speaker 1: 32:47 so in your view, what would it take to make ColdFusion more alive this year?
Speaker 2: 32:56 More community participation. I think you have, most of the major cities have got musicals. If it does not, then we will help you guys to create a user group, provide part of what is needed to make it a success. Uh, but as far as I know, Adobe is committed towards the, uh, platform and we are working on the 2020 release. And also looking forward, uh, we, Adobe always plans to lease just down the line so that they'll do that. We already planned for the next release after 2020 as well. Uh, so from a product perspective, Adobe is dead and Adobe is committed to the product. What we need is community participation and, um, good frameworks to go along with that good products that has been built on top of competition. So I think that, uh, that is what is going to make [inaudible] newer staff that we are, that are that good at that you know, you could do to showcase that this could be done using cultivation.
Speaker 3: 34:02 Okay.
Speaker 1: 34:02 And I know there's a place on the Adobe website where you've got some showcase things yes. Of Companies and people who've built ColdFusion, uh, products. Uh, how do people get into that? Do they email you or,
Speaker 2: 34:15 yes, all they had to do is just email me, tell them what total solution they had about their company. And B, we'll get, we'll get in touch with them and get a case study done. Case study clearly shows what are the cool things that people have built.
Speaker 3: 34:35 Okay.
Speaker 1: 34:36 Now you mentioned community participation in, in running a cfug, you know, building products and tools, uh, for cold fusion,
Speaker 4: 34:47 um,
Speaker 1: 34:48 and, you know, showcase. Is there any other ways people can help out, you know, participating in the ColdFusion community?
Speaker 2: 34:55 Uh, there's community forums. I got commissioned adobe.com [inaudible] people could help out there as well and just get this [inaudible] spreading around and they feel that they're stuck somewhere. What would be great as if they could reach out to rt and The v word, obviously get in touch with moderators and, uh, try to help them out.
Speaker 1: 35:21 Hmm. So having mentioned that the way to get these things going is to email you. I think we better give out your email. Yeah, for sure. Why not? Yes.
Speaker 4: 35:31 Um,
Speaker 1: 35:31 which is email@example.com couldn't be easier. Kishore the A K I, s h, o, r e and I'll put that in the show notes as well. So find it along with your Twitter profile and Facebook. Um, so, and a beautiful picture of you outside Adobe headquarters so people can recognize
Speaker 2: 35:55 [inaudible] or they could also mail to Adobe firstname.lastname@example.org. Oh, it's better. Write that one down.
Speaker 3: 36:04 Yeah.
Speaker 1: 36:05 Adobe code one word or be cold fusion one email@example.com. Yes. Oh, okay. I didn't know that one. I've learned something new.
Speaker 2: 36:14 Yeah, that's an alias which has all the nutrition makers of a Coda, the product. So that'll be at least one of us will respond who are, who are it is like if their support team, someone if it a support escalation, someone from the support team will respond to it. Even as a product side, someone on the product team will respond to it.
Speaker 1: 36:33 Okay, cool. So final question here is what are you looking forward to at CF summit yourself?
Speaker 2: 36:43 I'm looking forward to hearing a lot of great stories, and there are a couple of folks whom we had interacted with, but I have not met with them. So I'm planning a, I'm in more interested in meeting new people and learning about new technologies and hearing how we could help them out and how they could help us.
Speaker 1: 37:04 Fabulous. Well, I will see you at CF summit very soon, and thanks again for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: 37:12 Thanks for having a McCullough. It's always a pleasure.
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