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Welcome back to the show. Today we're looking at snap wall cold fusion e commerce platform and how it unleashes you beyond the shopping cart and I'm here with summit Burma nearly made a mango of your name there. So it is.
And he, he's talking at Mira con in a few weeks. And we will look at what slap wall is, and why you want to use an e commerce platform. And we'll look at some of the amazing features inside that wall, including total order, customer management, inventory management, promotions, automation workflows, customer data lists, or a lot of integrations with other software for marketing, shipping
charging, the credit card mirror, of course, integrates with and we'll hear about some of the new features in slab wall. So welcome summit.
Sumit Verma 1:00
Thanks, Michael, for having me on the show. Glad to be here.
Great. And just in case you haven't met him before. He's been doing web development, Rei, all kinds of tech stuff for over 15 years at 1024. And he's at that business. He's responsible for overseeing the whole development process for each project, and also the technical infrastructure there. So and as well as cold fusion programs in a multitude of other languages as well. So
Sumit Verma 1:32
have been in been in this industry for a really long time
for for almost 20 years now
been been developing in cold fusion for almost 18 years.
So yeah, it's exciting times things, a lot of things I've changed and and for better so excited to be in today's today's time and technology.
Yeah, I didn't go fusions getting more modern that you know, with cool libraries like slack wall and Bureau and all kinds of other things that you can do these days with cold fusion. So for those who haven't come across it before, what exactly is slap wall? Because it You said it's not a shopping cart when we were talking earlier?
Sumit Verma 2:20
Yeah, absolutely. It's a it's not a shopping cart slot wall is an enterprise level e commerce platform.
We we've been doing e commerce development far over 15, close to 20 years now. And
I and with my partners, I mean, we have developed many commerce programs. And we have worked with many clients and what happened over the years that we realized that for every client, we will start from scratch and build a solution and next project comes in and we do it all over again, you know, so eight years back, we really that okay, there's got to be better way to do this. And so we're not doing the same thing again, and again, and that's where sidewall started. So so I was an e commerce platform. Our idea was because of our experience, working with multiple clients, developing commerce application for clients, from a lot of different industry, whether it was retail, it was manufacturing, all kinds of publishing. So what we thought about is, why don't we create a platform, which gets us 80% here, because in e commerce 80% is the same for everybody, right? I mean, everybody needs product management, everybody needs to be able to manage their orders, manage their catalog, manage their accounts, and have a shopping cart, right,
which is what most people are familiar with, when we call ecommerce, they say, Oh, is this the shopping cart? Well, so that's the 80% piece of it. But then every project we work on every client we work with, they have that 20% requirement, which is always specific to that business. And the clients that we have been working with what we used to happen, they will come back with story that well, we used X, Y, and Z, this platform, that platform and they always had to change their business processes to fit into that platforms need that, okay, this platform, it works this way. So I need to change and fit into that platform. And our idea was, okay, how can we develop a platform where client data, they don't have to change their business processes. But the platform morphs itself into the clients business process, right. So we use that business first approach, and created a platform where a lot, which allows us to deliver that kind of solution to our clients, where whatever their business processes, we work with a very diverse client base. I mean, we have clients from publishing industry, from retail industry, from manufacturing
from California president or the, you know, where, which is actually pretty cool, because the inmates are actually creating all the products. And that's what sold to all the government agencies in California. So that's pretty cool. So very diverse industry, and everybody has their own unique requirements. And we are able to customize the platform to exactly and specifically meet their business needs, so they can do efficiently and in the most effective way is run their business.
Well, that's very interesting. And I will talk a bit about how you manage to allow that customizing later. But maybe we ought to just arts why use an e commerce platform in the first place? Why not just code this yourself? What what's the benefit of doing this? Yeah, absolutely,
Sumit Verma 6:03
you can, you can absolutely coated yourself, which is what we did many times in the past. And what that means is the number one, it takes a lot of time, right? Because there's, there's a lot of basic requirements that you have, right, you have to manage, like I said, product, account order inventory, and all that stuff. So on an average, if you build a ecommerce basic e commerce platform, or college shopping cart, whatever, from scratch, it'll probably be at least thousand couple of thousands of hours that you will need to put in, you will need maybe six months to a year or plus of three for developers time. So the question is, why do that from scratch? Because for that, do you have the expertise in house to know the changing landscape of e commerce, right? Because you have to stay on top of technology, as well as you also have to stay on top of markets. Because in e commerce, things are also changing quickly. Now, people are looking for marketplace integration, right? How do I sell on Amazon? What How do I sell on eBay? All that stuff? How do I integrate with these new online fulfillment providers, whether it be FedEx ups, all those things? How do I will leverage we have a client that wanted point of sale. So how do I create that. So there's so many new things that's happening, and this landscape is changing, if you create something from scratch, number one, you will end up spending a lot more money, you will have to stay on top of it and keep developing and then you will have to support it. So you will need a big pool of developer in house who will need to manage your infrastructure manager code. And most of the clients that we work with their they are not an IT or software company, they are an e commerce company, they want to sell their products and services. And that's what their expertise is. So it doesn't make sense for them to move their core competency, which is running their business to now become an expert in e commerce and develop a solution and manage it, then that's a totally different skill in mindset that they need. And what we are providing is just that partner that they can bring us can you slap wall that can just do that for them and they don't have to stay on top of technology
that those are great reasons for, for using an existing platform. I think maybe some of the other things are I'm assuming you do a lot of work on security because I know ecommerce sites tend to get targeted by hackers.
Sumit Verma 8:57
Michela that's that's a great point that you you bring in because security is is a huge concern. And especially when you're doing e commerce, there's so many different regulation number one is PCI. So if you're running an e commerce business, you have to be PCI compliant. And what slot Bob provides a slot wall is PCI DSS certified application, which is payment application data security standards. So slot Wallace certified through that, which is a great
piece of mind for people who are using start wall and number two at 1024 as a company, we are PCI level one service provider. So that's also something we bring to the plate because and, and it's not just PCI, the security landscape is changing so quickly, starting next month, people have to worry about GDP Are you know, so it's it's a never ending quest being compliant. And especially for smaller company, it's challenging, it's very costly to go through these compliance requirement. I mean, if you go through just pa DSS and PCI, it could cost you up to 50, $200,000
per year just to be compliant, because you may need a third party auditor who will be doing audit on an annual basis. So yeah, that's, that's a great point. That's, that's another great reason to use a third party solution, which has done their due diligence and it's already security compliance. So you will still need to go through your own PCI, but at least out of those 12 controls that they have, you can check off many of those saying that, okay, these are taken care by my third party vendor.
That's great. And, you know, I think the other thing that I know with people who have ecommerce sites is they wanted to have really high uptime because it costs money every hour, the site is down, it costs money, how how do you address the reliability issue? Yeah, another
Sumit Verma 11:06
great, great question. And what we do is we provide slide wall as a SAS solution. So we call it slide wall 24. That's our support service that we provide, which is a managed solution in AWS. So our platform is
it's fully scalable, fully redundant and 100% uptime because I would be using is a load balanced infrastructure with auto scaling group. So it's, it's pretty cool infrastructure that we have, we were able to create its self healing environment, you know, I know today, everybody's moving towards that with Docker containers and stuff, no newer guys are going Docker first environment, which is pretty cool, because that's, that's where you want to be, especially in e commerce, you don't want even five minutes of downtime, you know, because every minute that your site is down, it's costing you money. So in AWS environment, we have been able to build our our stack, which is,
you know, it's all fully scripted environment, there's no manual,
manual deployment of server or anything like that, every time we deploy our code, it goes through auto scaling event, and then new stack, it's totally immutable, new stat gets created, it gets tested. And once its health check passes, then it comes back into load balancer gets added back in and one server dies, another one automatically scale stop. So that's another important
reason to use a third party stack. Because otherwise, you will need IT department unless if you are big, big enough corporation to have your own it. Otherwise, you will need somebody who can manage
your infrastructure for you. So you,
you monitor the customers all the time 24 seven, I assume is that right? Or
Sumit Verma 13:19
we do monitor 24 seven and have. But the cool thing is that with the advent of AWS and all the services and technology they offer, there's really no manual intervention needed. Because the moment something goes down, a new environment is automatically spun off. So and it does already kind of load balanced across multiple availability zones. So if even if one full data center goes down, the your environment is still available and up in another data center. But yes, we do monitor 24 seven.
Great. So trying to understand exactly what slack will gives you a would it be fair to say that if you wanted to reproduce what amazon dot com does, as an e commerce site, you've probably could do most of that using this
products, you've got products, you've got special promotions, you you could even sell tickets or digital things online or really anything where you sell it online. This would let you you do that. Absolutely. You nailed it. At
Sumit Verma 14:30
the very basic level, which people are familiar with is just the merchandise items, right? The short pants shirt had pen mug, definitely you can do that. But slide wall can also handle subscriptions, which is one of the area that we excel in, which is digital entitlement and subscriptions. Why companies you familiar with, like Scientific American ink magazine, FAST Fast Company, they are using slack while platform to manage their subscriptions events. Yes, if you're selling events, then you can use slack wall to do that region 10 is
in in Texas School District, they use slack wall to manage their events, they do close to I think close to maybe 50, 200,000
events per year and they manage it through sidewall platform. But also one of the important aspects in managing merchandise is inventory management you know and warehouse management because
as you mentioned our Amazon right you can imagine they have warehouses in multiple places you know, not just one so and then you have inventory sitting in each of these location and then you have multiple channel where you have orders coming in you have water coming in through online you may have your orders coming in through third party vendors that you may have affiliates that you may have you may have otter coming in through your your phone maybe application here or point of sale so slack wall what slow well does it can manage inventory three or multiple channel and give you a real time view into your inventory with every movement how much you have on hand how much has committed on order how much you are expecting to receive on vendor order and also at each different warehouse locations that you have so that all complex and mentoring management is already built in so yeah, there's a lot of the but as you said pretty much what you see on Amazon destroy empowerment or regular merchandising event sidewalk and help you manage all those
right and it's not just the front end of an e commerce site like Amazon dot com. It's also like he was saying the back end where you're you're dealing with inventory levels and shipping and
you know, making sure the customers paid or how you deal with when the payment fails, calculating all the taxes for all the different you know, I don't know how many different texts locations there are in the United States. Now, it must be thousands with all state and local and what have you. So there's a lot to deal with. I know this kind of thing.
Sumit Verma 17:20
Yeah, absolutely. And and what we actually call slide wall, we we like to call it the headless commerce right is we specialize and the application out of the box gives you the backend where you can manage your product where you can manage your inventory where you can manage your shipping and fulfillment. We have integrations with different shipping providers, FedEx, UPS, USPS, and Andy share all that those integrations are built into slack. While we have tax integrations with a built with Avalon and vertex to help you do tax calculation we have payment and again built with
Ella on Pay flow pro Authorize. net stripe,
heartland and cheese payment take all these payment integrations are built in for you to handle all the payment processing for your customer and then the beauty of sidewall is the front end is totally customizable because cut front end we we don't come up with out of the box front end because ideally what we do for every customer is front end is all their branding how they want to Brian how they want to reach their their customers. So you can customize and build whatever front end you want based on your company's branding and sidewall will be able to support that
that is great. So you couldn't run slack wall as a SAS. Whereas on your server, can you also run it on your own servers or? Absolutely, yeah, so we have a lot of clients who
Sumit Verma 19:03
we manage our solution for them a SAS but then again, it's an open source project. So you can download and you can get it set up and run on your own server. We have a lot of clients who are managing Scientific American manages their own environment. And and and they do it internally. We have a lot of developers who are using slack wall on our slide one Google Google group, there's close to
think between 304 hundred developers that are using slack wall and most of them are managing slack wall and their own server.
Okay, great. So if you do it on your own stuff, or is there a cost involved or may I mean, I'm a little unclear on that. I looked at your pricing page and saw the SAS pricing but
there is a
Sumit Verma 19:56
there is no cost. It's an open source project. So it's free, you just download and you use it.
The cost is the pricing page that you see that is a cost if if we are providing the hosted and managed SAS solution, which,
Sumit Verma 20:16
all the PCI requirements, right, the security is huge, because if you're managing and hosting yourself, then you have to keep in mind that you have you will have to go through all the compliance and security requirements that are there for PCI. So when we provide and manage we we provide uptime guarantee, we provide the security compliance says and we also provide
unlimited admin and email support. So we help customers our clients on a day to day basis, how do I set up a product, Hey, what about this water? How do I create this promotion, our ally setup taxes, suppose kind of it's a full full service operation that we provide. So we become kind of an extended their extended
company, you know, which is helping them on a day to day.
Okay, well, that makes sense. So you we mentioned earlier that you can really customize slap will, how exactly does that work on a technical level?
Sumit Verma 21:28
Yeah, so that's great. So that's, that's the best part about slot wall platform, it's, it's a, it's the flexibility that slide will provide. And that's one of the things that most of our clients love the most. And the way we were able to achieve, that is the way we architected the whole application, there are different integration points that you can hook into it's event driven architecture. So you can tap into it, every event that is broadcasted by a slack wall and write your custom code and extend slot while using the event architecture. At the same time, we have an integration architecture that slack what follows where you can build a full blown custom application and drop it into slack wall using its integration architecture. And they both kind of gel together so you are still on upgrade path, you can still anytime new feature comes into slide wall, you can upgrade without breaking anything inside wall at the same time, different functionality inside wall even at the view level, if you want to override certain view or services, you can extend those and override those. So it's it's it's all the magic is in the way it is architected and and the ability to extend the are override either the service or the views are even the model you can customize even the model of slide wall, hundred percent however you want you leave the core model as is. And you can extend the model by writing your own integrations.
Great. So I know you can do automation, some workflows to tell us a bit about that, because that sounds intriguing.
Sumit Verma 23:29
Yeah, it is, it is actually really cool. So before I jump into workflow, I'll talk a little bit about collections. So collections are basically the core of slide wall. Basically, what collections allows you to do is query
any data point that we have inside walls. So any database object, any entity you want, you can create report, so called
when you create a workflow, you pick order as your base object. And then you say, okay, the event is autoplay success. So anytime an order is placed successfully, then you fire off this workflow and the trigger. So the trigger is the event. And the task that this workflow will execute is sending the email. And in that sending an email, you define the email template, which you also build in Slack, while admin and you configure all the attributes of to from subject, the body, all those things are customizable. And then this workflow then triggers that and saying, okay, when this event happens, I'm going to trigger this task. But that is very simple level of the word workflow, it gets interesting is you can get into more complex things like how about I want to send
a card abandoned email, you know, so that's where you start combining the collection and workflow together. So you don't want to do an event based workflow. Now. Now, you want to do a schedule based workflow. So what you want to do is you say, Okay, give me a collection of all the carts that were created maybe in last 15 days, you know, that has not been touched. So it was created 15 days ago, and it has not been acted on. So give me a collection of those cards. Now, once you get that collection, then you can create a workflow where you can say, Okay, now that is a dynamic collection, which will change every time the date changes. So trigger a workflow where I want to send an email to every one of those users with their card, maybe once a day, or twice a day, or whenever I want, I create that schedule in the workflow and do that. So that's coming domination of that collection and work together becomes really powerful. But what you can also do is extend that to any level you want, you can say, okay, maybe I want to do
a workflow where I want to get notified anytime my inventory is below certain level. So again, you can create a collection of products that fall below certain level of your inventory, you create a workflow trigger that email, you get to go, maybe you want to work flow, you say, okay, anytime an order comes in, which is over $5,000,
notify this person,
Sumit Verma 27:39
there you go. That's another workflow that you can trigger, you can also through workflow, not just trigger email. But the tasks that you can execute are, you can basically call any service method in slack wall on those workflow tasks. So combination of collection and workflow is pretty powerful, and allows you to do a lot of the things that you will typically go and start coding here, it allows you to just do that from the back end of slide slide wall without writing, writing even a single line of code.
So that's great. That saves a lot of work there other other automation that slack wall lets you do,
Sumit Verma 28:24
there's a lot of our other automation that we do that depends on what the client's requirements are. So many times, most of the times when we are working with clients, they have their own internal systems, right, they may have any RP system, maybe they are using SAP, maybe they're using Salesforce, maybe they're using,
you know, hybrid, or Microsoft or whatever, their internal system, CRM, AARP, or whatever marketing maybe sometimes they're using marketing automation systems like par dot, whatever. So we can automate
a lot of these data flow where we can see okay, for example, we have Salesforce integration built in so we can say, okay, anytime and account is created, push that as a contact in Salesforce, whenever an order is placed, then convert that kind of that lead that we created on previous step two contact and create an opportunity into Salesforce. So that all that those kind of automation that we build based on our client requirements for some clients, we have created end of the day closing reports, you know, so it would take typically them an hour at the end of every day, you know, to do a clothing report that they have to close their store, run their closing report, and then go home that one hour process we were able to cut down to no time because every day in a we automate it there is a report gets generated through workflow and collection, you know, get sent out there, you're closing report, you've done so many of those automation so we can create even for inventory is another important aspect. Maybe they're using other systems where they are they have other channels with that they're selling their products on, you know, we will do real time inventory, integration and automate that process. So any kind in order is placed in slack wall, we will push the inventory and same thing in the reverse order.
Now, do you have like a REST API for people to hook into? Or the if you want to take this even further? Absolutely, yeah. So softball is built with API first
Sumit Verma 30:49
concept. So everything that we do in slack wall is has an API. In fact, our whole back end is built on slack was own API. So everything thing that we do in back in are we doing front end is done by API's. So people can use that API, and they can integrate with their existing system. We have had clients who created a full blown e commerce app using using the API and, you know, and then they can, you can build all front end whether you want to use React Native or React. js, you want to use Angular, any kind of front end you on you can, if you're using CMS, I mean, we have a very close integration with Mira CMS, and we love me or a CMS but other community out there, people if they're using Drupal Juma, whatever, it doesn't really matter. Because it's an API first headless commerce, you can use our API to integrate into your existing CMS.
And so let's talk about the technology a little bit. Does it matter what version of cold fusion you have? Or what database or operating system you can have on your server if you're using the open source version?
Sumit Verma 32:03
Great question. So in terms of core fusion, we require
I believe we require now 10 plus because we were doing nine one plus but now I think six months back we may have migrated to 10 plus I'm not hundred percent sure on that. So either not nine one or 10 plus and on Lucy it's a 4.0
and above 4.5 works the best
Sumit Verma 32:35
and that's about it. We are database agnostic, because we leverage hibernate and orem technologies. So if you can use my sequel, sequel server or Oracle or dB, whatever database you want to use, and platform it, you can use Windows, Linux, whatever platform you want,
you can use Apache in genetics is it's compatible with all
Wow, really flexible there.
That's that's the key flexibility.
So you mentioned some of the those integrations there so you can integrate with an existing AARP system or
Yes, yeah, so we
Sumit Verma 33:33
in the open source platform, we don't have integrations built him because these are all the RP proprietary technology so we don't push out open source integration with goes but we have done integration with SAP, we have done integration with hybrids. As I mentioned, Salesforce micros, so many of these e RP and other platform we have done integration with
now I know you've got a new version
out and your collections is part of that you feature what what other cool new things are in the new version of slot wall Yeah, the new version that's coming out has a lot of pretty cool
Sumit Verma 34:16
features collection is one of them we have done a lot of enhancement into collection one of the things that I talked about is every listing in slack wall now is collection driven and it allows you to do personalized collection so you can customize the list based on what you need so that's pretty cool we have done a lot of enhancements to workflow we've also built a totally new fulfillment UI which is really really slick we call it pick pack ship by interface so from one single UI you will be able to in couple of clicks you will be able to do fulfillment
so you you will people will save a lot of time using the pic pack shipping interface and and managing their fulfillment that way we we have also added a lot of fun accounting related feature and now we have
we can pretty much call it right now that we have a mini accounting package kind of built into slack wall so you can create your chart of accounts and you can set up your ledger accounts and and then you can see where your revenue is where your asset and liability so you can map all the transactions
that's happening inside wall to your chart of accounts and then you can drive your average cost your cost and have all that those calculation done for you.
We actually just finished six months ago now we have have a point of sale system built into sidewall which is really really cool and slick we partnered with Star my chronic which is one of the leading hardware provider and point of sale industry and we partnered with them and created a really slick all in one point of sale system which you just use an iPad and and it's it's called the star micron. Its hardware is called em pop which is a cash register and scanner
all built in one and printer.
So yeah, a lot of fun. A lot of cool stuff coming into next version, which which I think
Sumit Verma 36:51
will see it, they will love it. And other than the point of sale solution. Everything else is still available through the open source code base. Great. So you mentioned accounting did is there an integration, you know is the way to integrate with existing accounting systems. So we do have integration with QuickBooks QuickBooks Online built in. So there is a basic integration with QuickBooks. Other than that we do accounting integration, pretty much based on whatever is the client's requirements, when at least you will be able to export the data every every data point inside wall is exportable to collections UI. So you will be able to easily customize your export to meet your external accounting systems requirement.
Alright, so anything else you want to share about slack wall before we change the subject to something related,
Sumit Verma 37:54
I think we covered everything. A couple of cool clients that we recently launched, which we will be covering at Mira con as well Kalki I, as I mentioned that's pretty interesting. That's California prison authority. We worked with Blue River and it's a fantastic project with a lot of fun working on that and
we didn't know that bad but it was pretty cool to see it mates actually creating all the products all every furniture, everything sold through site is is built by inmates and then sold to other government agencies. So that was pretty cool. I total wine and more, which is one of the largest wine retailer in the country think they have close to 170 retail stores. So we did a project for them. They're using slack Wile E commerce Sotheby's auction house, which is the oldest and largest auction company in in the war there. I think multibillion dollar publicly traded company they pick sidewalls as
e commerce platform for their whole organization. So they're using the point of sale, they have a location in Hong Kong, that we are supporting one location in New York, their retail location as well as online. So and, and also a mobile app.
So pretty a lot of fall a lot of cool stuff going on. So excited about the growth rate. So let's just change a slightly different subject, which is why are you proud to use cold fusion?
Sumit Verma 39:32
All right, that's a that's a great question. I would say, why not
been using cold fusion for over
I think over 1820 years or so on there is there's no reason to move away from it. I mean, it's been dead for 20 years,
you know, but it is still alive.
Sumit Verma 39:58
I mean, you hear about all these questions and stuff, but it does the job. I mean, we are
the premise cold fusion was built on is giving ability to build application rapidly, and it used to be the rapid application development language. And I think that's still true, it's a great technology and it allows you to do build these complex applications in a really short amount of time. And,
and I hear a lot of times about, Okay, what about the developer base is it is an itch is it in small are the developers available in I mean, we have grown into I last couple of years now our company size, we have maybe about 20 or so developers here, and none of the guys here we're called fusion developer, we just hire developers and within a couple of weeks timeframe, they are able to get in and start contributing and making a difference and adding to the code base you know, because the language is so nice, so clean and and it allows you to do all the things that you need to do in a in a quick way and so we don't have any need I know there's always there's always new things you know, there's always going to be new technology and new cool stuff but the question is, is that something you need to support the work that you're doing are you just want it because oh it's so nice and cool this other language allows me to do X y&z Okay. Is that something you need in your application? Well, no, not really. But it's cool. Okay. Well, what does that mean? You know, and that's what I always come across and see all these discussions going on. And in last 18 years. I mean, we have a pretty complex application have never had any point there, oh, I'm stuck. I need to do something which the language is not allowing me to do. So Sure. Other languages may have something cool. But at this point, at least cold fusion allows us to do everything that we need to do.
Yeah, I mean, it's a very powerful language, I can't think of too much she couldn't doing cold fusion.
Sumit Verma 42:30
Yeah, and it tights, all the verbosity of Java, you know, people use Java, I'm in PHP, I can't imagine writing that code, you know, so it just nice and clean, I mean, and it's so concise, and
obviously tag based people who don't like or didn't like, sure tag based
syntax, you don't need to use it, you know, you go to component and services, and you just use the script voice, which is very close to all other more languages that are out there. So, so we're excited about it. It's is very performance, it does everything that we need to do,
and there's no reason for us to migrate away from it.
So what would it take to make cold fusion even more alive this year,
Sumit Verma 43:33
what will make it more alive is people coming up with more and more cool applications like slack wall, which are built and euro, those are, I would say, those are the two main open source applications out there available through core fusion platform. But what will make it more alive is people coming up with more open source applications, because that's gets the traction of the general community out there, anybody can use it, there's always
the education piece. And I think the more conferences that we have, the more people from outside community we can attract towards the language will be will be good. But in general, I think the more applications that we have, that we can showcase, to show the power of confusion, and not just power of confusion, that just to show that, hey, here's our cool applications built into call using cold fusion, you know, it called fusion may not be a better language than other languages out there, Ruby go, whatever. But it does everything that's needed to do to build these cool applications. And I think that's what will make the difference
by having more and more applications that are out there that can be showcased, and not necessarily just having community talk about it to no end.
That's it makes a lot of sense. So what are you looking forward to this year's miracle?
Ah, looking forward to see mirror 7.1,
Sumit Verma 45:17
even though we use me write extensively Here at 1024, we have a lot of projects, I'm not too involved in those projects. So I'm going there. So I'm excited about seeing what they have in your 7.1.
Obviously, it's always good to
Sumit Verma 45:33
connect back to the community. There'll be a lot of developers there.
So I think it'll be it'll be fun time now checking out what's new and exciting in neuro meaning community grabbing a few beers with our developers there and just hanging out having fun.
Sounds wonderful. So if people want to find you online, what are the best ways to do that so that
Sumit Verma 45:59
they can find me on LinkedIn my profile is there they can find me on Twitter it's my handle is blogging Ria. They can always email me on Google group we have sidewall Google group they can find me on 1024 web dot com slash while commerce calm many ways to find me, they won't miss me.
Great. So we'll put all those links into the show notes on the Terra tech site along with a transcript to the episode so thanks so much for coming on the podcast. Thank you because I appreciate the opportunity.